Message from @The Lemon
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and 23 vs an average of 22
Bearing in mind these stats are not controlled for any external variables
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This is just the raw data
External variables are my argument, that being a toxic inner city culture present in both the UK and USA.
So why are you blaming it on immigrants then?
Because toxic inner city culture is unrelated to immigration
At least recent waves of immigration that we've seen
Because they are contributing to it and even entering it. They are two separate but similar issues that combine to create the perfect storm
But you can't prove that with these statistics
So why are you treating these stats like they are proof of this idea
Also as I tried to say before but you didn't listen, these statistics are to do with the overall population
They aren't for immigrants
Therefore they include millions of people who have been born and raised in the UK
I know. I **specifically** told you I was not referring specifically to immigrants
But unless I'm grossly mistaken this argument is about immigrants and the great replacement?
And you said that immigrants were bringing these non western values with them and it was causing crime
And now you are using stats unrelated to immigrants to try and back up that hypothesis?
The argument was originally regarding immigrants but sort of shifted to non western values in general, I apologize if I didn't make this clear.
ok sure
But as I've tried to say
These stats include millions of non white brits, raised in Britain, raised according to british culture in british schools in british communities
How exactly is this supposed to be representative of the cultures that immigrants are "bringing with them"
When you're using statistics that don't focus on immigrants
Sorry, missed the last few mins
What happened?
I would hardly consider some of the values "british" in the traditional sense, and once again, you keep bringing the conversation in a circle specifically when related to immigrants. I've specifically said I'm referring to *non western values,* within the UK, this includes a variety of sources. For whatever reason, ethnic minorities seem to proliferate these non western values at a higher rate then whites. Take london for example. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crime_in_London#Violent_crime https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ethnic_groups_in_London
He's arguing that immigrants bring non western values that cause a cultural shift and raise in crime rates
No, that's...jesus. You are not reading at all what I'm saying.
I've specified multiple times that I'm ***not just specifically referring to immigrants*** and then you say "hes talking'bout immigrants"
Ok fine we're talking about "non western values" in the UK which you haven't shown any evidence of then
Also you don't need to tell me that London is ethnically diverse, I live in London, I know
Yeah he does
Ok so I've just looked about that link to do with crime in london
It has absolutely nothing to do with race and I don't see why its relevant to this argument
It shows general crime statistics in london and different types of crime
@The Lemon Richmond Park and Heathrow isn't proper London smh
Lmao
I'm stating that, for whatever reason, ethnic minorities within the UK mostly exhibit a higher rate of violent criminal offenses. I believe, this is because of a toxic gang culture within the inner cities, non western values included, be it the idea of a "hood culture," or the idea of establishing islamic law in some areas. These all contribute, in part, to the rising violent crime rate, these groups mingle and overlap and that is my explanation as to why this is occurring. The reason I linked the ethnic groups of london and the crime rate is because, it appears, the higher percentage of ethnic minorities within a city, the higher the crime rate. This is *not universally true* across the board, but does seem to suggest there is a deeper issue.
Don't fucking expose me jesus