Snapped this off /pol.

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As for socialism / marxism, the biggest issue in general that I have is the surplus labor value. The general idea of the surplus labor value theory is that profit, aka excess labor, exceeds the cost of the worker's labor and is stolen by the greedy capitalist. However, this fails to take into account the mobility of the worker, wherein if a worker feels their labor is not being valued correctly then they have the possibility of simply switching jobs. However, if you are a business owner, you don't have the luxury of simply deciding to have a new business one day, especially if your assets are invested into this business

Furthermore, a worker does not invest assets into a business (generally speaking.) The person providing the menial labor does not have the same risk the person running a business has, and since the person running the business owns these means of productions thus allowing the worker to receive compensation without any risk to themselves, then they are entitled to the profits made. If a worker feels like they deserve the profit that comes with controlling the means of production then, in a free market such as the one we have today, they are able to open their own business. That's the glory of a somewhat regulated free market, a good balance of consumer protection, worker protection, and profit.

Post it in economic-issues

Not to mention, the class theory presented is lacking. In the 19th century, sure, most people who owned the means of production were rich and post menial workers were poor, however, nowadays these classes simply have no meaning. A person with a hot dog cart is going to have much less money than a professional footballer player, however according to the outdated marxist class system it should be the opposite way around. Even at the time that the USSR implemented socialism this was true, with many rich peasants aka "Kossaks" being killed. Mind you, being rich simply meant owning a few acres of land more than anybody else.

And will do

What's your view of the economy then?

Personally, I think a moderately regulated free market is the best form of economy you can have. The moderate regulation means that mobility is possible and new businesses can flourish, monopolies cannot exist, and other devious practices are not permitted, however there would not be an excess of overbearing political hoops to jump through in order to open your own business. This also somewhat extends to things such as consumer protection, worker protection, and the best part is all of these things are possible while *also* still allowing a business to be heavily profitable.

Fair enough

Would you subsidize public services?

Such as healthcare

It depends on what is considered a public service. As for specifically healthcare, no, and the reason I distinct this from other services is because healthcare can be effected by others. Take water treatment as an example. Generally speaking, your neighbor can gulp down all the water he wants and you won't run out, because of the way water treatment works. However, on a national healthcare plan, somebody else's poor choice could mean a difference in your quality of healthcare.

Get the fuck out of my race channel.

I will have nobody eat your ass.

The worst system we could have, however, is the one that we have right now, a mixed system wherein prices go up because the government is willing to subsidize it but only to an extent where the consumer ends up paying insane amounts. If you go into a hospital and ask how much an x-ray will cost, they can't tell you. Imagine walking into a store and taking a box of cereal from the shelf, but when you go to purchase it, the clerk tells you "I'll bill you later"

I thought you want to regulate free market when it did not work

How can a healthcare system possibly work in a free market

Saving your life is not something you can negotiate

Shut up

Stop typing

Copy paste what you typed so far into econ issues

There is a different conversation going on in economy issues

I don't care. This is race issues.

Go to serious general politics then.

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It's a race issue too because we are talking about how we should subsidize healthcare to every races

I'll subsidize your grandma's butthole with a fork

based

Shut up ang get out of my channel.

Healthcare only given to healthy humans

That's a policy I can stand with

I only see the sick and old abuse healthcare

Natural selection, I like this.

I also like this being talked about in the alotted chats.

I’m so black

I can agree that we currently have one of the best black president we had out of the 3 so far

i have one for ya

@Techpriest who is the new one

Trump?