Message from @Dr.Cosby
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Who's won - who's lost? We'll see!
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@Green Syndicalism so, your explanation of the labor curve still doesn’t address my point, which is that you can HIRE MORE LABOR
@Green Syndicalism great, so we’re back. Would you like to answer my question?
Now that we’ve delved through the source of your dogmatic creed, you still have not proven your initial point, which is that an increase in supply will lower price. Because we can still talk about rightward shifts in the supply curve, and presuppose an upward sloping supply curve, even with everything your source says.
It’s an important part of critical thinking to be able to talk about discreet effects. If you think that a discreet effect is dependent on something else, you can say that instead of just saying the system is so complex that discreet effects don’t exist.
You still have yet to answer my question. Please try to answer it in your own words.
Hiring more workers is expensive
Cuz you need insurance and all that good stuff
discrete* discrete* discrete*
at this point, you're not only ignoring my arguments, you're going around in circles and using filler sentences. *im satisfied that you've been discredited for the charlatan that you are* and at any point in the future that you try to proselytize fundamental nonsense i will happily step in to annihilate you again, but this is the point at which i'm very happy to leave it to the audience to decide 🙂
(for anyone interested, no, you cannot analyse complex systems in terms of their discrete parts, because the entire system functions as a set of feedback loops interacting with each other -> trying to distill out individual parts will teach you how *not* to understand the system. look up complexity theory if you want to find out more on that)
@Green Syndicalism you still have not addressed my question. Why are you unable to do so?
You’ve provided numerous sources that do not support your own argument. Remember, this whole thing started with your claim that an increase in supply would not, ceteris paribus, lower price. That you think your source’s critique of the s/d curve structure supports that assertion suggests that you not only fail to understand mainstream economics, but critiques of it as well.
And yes, we can talk about complex systems as series of discreet effects. Saying that you can’t is like saying that, because ocean temperature is difficult to measure, Newton’s second law of thermodynamics is wrong.
These are complex systems with lots of interlocking parts. Just because the weather sometimes gets cold doesn’t mean CO2 isn’t heating the system as a whole.
So I’ll ask one more time- and please be aware, that if you refuse to answer again, you are conceding defeat: what would cause a supply curve not to slope up?
In your own words, using critical thought and writing in a calm, rational way.
if everyone just had a thing where they could all put their money people would have more money
True true
Okay, folks
LUL you've *already* conceded defeat by *literally ignoring and downplaying the importance of all the arguments I've made*
after you failed to debunk any of the sources i provided, *you implicitly accept them*
and no, the problem isn't about measuring the discrete parts of a complex system, *its distilling their isolated effects*
climate change is a good example, if you assume there is no atmosphere at all and try to inject CO2 into the system, will you get a greenhouse effect? *no, because for such a system to be possible you need to have hardly any gravity*, so the Co2 is of no guarantee to even remain in the hypothetical planet's atmosphere. When you try to distill individual effects, *you must assume a fantasy* and in science, *we do not assume fantasies, we talk about effects in their original contexts, economists don't, and its why their modelling from false first principles are so inaccurate*
>what would cause a supply curve not to slope up?
i've answered this at least twice in this debate, and multiple times in other debates. the fact you keep coming back to this shows you have absolutely nothing. But again, since you failed to debunk them, i'll repost:
a) labour supply curve
b) empirical evidence from the firms themselves
c) supply curves dont even exist independently
*This is going nowhere, agree to end the debate and stop wasting my fucking time please.* People can read the arguments and decide the result for themselves at this point, because otherwise, here is what's going to happen, you're going to repost your previous rebuttals, im going to repost my previous rebuttals, and our posts will *literally go in a circle ad infinitum*. If you are confident in the strength of your arguments, you wouldn't be feeling the need to repost the same nonsense over and over, just let your arguments stand on their own merit and you will avoid this waste of time.
I love how some of you think mass immigration improves the economy, it just amazes me how uninformed our society has become on the topic of economics.
@Green Syndicalism Thank you for conceding defeat.
palpatine said it best
The fuck is this about?
About micro-economic stuff
Big brain economix
India best economy
china numba waan
Eh
black people are a burden to society
Source
Abraham Lincoln wanted to send the blacks back to their continent of origin so they can be more free but looks like that never happened.
People back in the 1860 wanted to emancipate slaves to send them to africa