Message from @✨Skolander✨

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2019-12-29 17:46:43 UTC  

I swear talking to Americans about economics is nothing but hell.

2019-12-29 17:53:00 UTC  

Taxes are a major part of the conversation, thats what gives the dollar its root demand

2019-12-29 17:53:44 UTC  

The fact that Americans need dollars to pay taxes is what 'backs' the dollar

2019-12-29 17:55:34 UTC  

they also need to pay rent, food and other shit.

2019-12-29 17:56:23 UTC  

They do, but they can't be compelled to buy that the way they can with us dollar denominated taxes

2019-12-29 17:56:23 UTC  

Moronic answer, that doesn't actually understand the difference between fiat money and the trade medium is.

2019-12-29 17:56:57 UTC  

in this case, the fiat money that is the US dollar is also the world's preferred trade medium

2019-12-29 17:57:03 UTC  

The government doesn't care how you pay the taxes

2019-12-29 17:57:12 UTC  

It sure does, it requires us dollars

2019-12-29 17:57:15 UTC  

if you gave them 1000 euro they would accept it.

2019-12-29 17:57:19 UTC  

they would not

2019-12-29 17:57:22 UTC  

they will just convert it and charge you the fee

2019-12-29 17:57:55 UTC  

```Note: Payments of U.S. tax must be remitted to the U.S. Internal Revenue Service (IRS) in U.S. dollars.```

2019-12-29 17:58:14 UTC  

that's the standard response

2019-12-29 17:58:21 UTC  

cuz they dont wanna have to deal with converting the currencies

2019-12-29 17:59:01 UTC  

Again, demand for US dollars to pay US taxes is what 'backs' the us dollar

2019-12-29 17:59:15 UTC  

we are not talking about the fucking demand

2019-12-29 17:59:19 UTC  

you absolute moron.

2019-12-29 17:59:19 UTC  

that is your answer @borealice

2019-12-29 17:59:31 UTC  

you don't understand the question.

2019-12-29 17:59:55 UTC  

You could just avoid paying taxes, what then, does it suddenly hold no value?

2019-12-29 18:00:31 UTC  

I might, but millions of Americans do not avoid paying taxes, primarily because of their paychecks having automatic deductions

2019-12-29 18:00:37 UTC  

not to mention corporate taxes

2019-12-29 18:00:46 UTC  

irrelevant fluff.

2019-12-29 18:01:06 UTC  

the core issue is what gives the dollar, the currency, its value

2019-12-29 18:01:16 UTC  

Taxes

2019-12-29 18:01:31 UTC  

do you understand the difference between the dollar as a currency, and a stack of printed out 100 dollar bills?

2019-12-29 18:01:40 UTC  

I do

2019-12-29 18:01:46 UTC  

what's the difference

2019-12-29 18:01:52 UTC  

enlighten us, humor the chat

2019-12-29 18:02:10 UTC  

a stack of 100 dollar bills would be physical objects. the dollar as a currency is an abstraction that relates to the system as a whole

2019-12-29 18:02:56 UTC  

what about what the 100 dollar bills represent to the person holding onto the money?

2019-12-29 18:03:05 UTC  

What if that person, like you, thinks "I can use this to pay taxes"

2019-12-29 18:03:26 UTC  

They certainly could

2019-12-29 18:03:27 UTC  

then is it equivalent to the currency?

2019-12-29 18:03:36 UTC  

since that's apparantly all you care about

2019-12-29 18:04:29 UTC  

I swear americans have this odd obsession with taxes no other nation has.

2019-12-29 18:04:32 UTC  

Since millions of American individuals and corporations owe taxes is US dollars, the dollar has a consistent demand floor

2019-12-29 18:04:38 UTC  

The dependability of the fed collecting the taxes every year is what backs it up. What do YOU think backs it up? @✨Skolander✨

2019-12-29 18:04:43 UTC  

It's not just America, that's most fiat based countries

2019-12-29 18:05:02 UTC  

No, not a single fiat based country functions like that.