Message from @Dr.Cosby

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2019-12-29 17:59:19 UTC  

that is your answer @borealice

2019-12-29 17:59:31 UTC  

you don't understand the question.

2019-12-29 17:59:55 UTC  

You could just avoid paying taxes, what then, does it suddenly hold no value?

2019-12-29 18:00:31 UTC  

I might, but millions of Americans do not avoid paying taxes, primarily because of their paychecks having automatic deductions

2019-12-29 18:00:37 UTC  

not to mention corporate taxes

2019-12-29 18:00:46 UTC  

irrelevant fluff.

2019-12-29 18:01:06 UTC  

the core issue is what gives the dollar, the currency, its value

2019-12-29 18:01:16 UTC  

Taxes

2019-12-29 18:01:31 UTC  

do you understand the difference between the dollar as a currency, and a stack of printed out 100 dollar bills?

2019-12-29 18:01:40 UTC  

I do

2019-12-29 18:01:46 UTC  

what's the difference

2019-12-29 18:01:52 UTC  

enlighten us, humor the chat

2019-12-29 18:02:10 UTC  

a stack of 100 dollar bills would be physical objects. the dollar as a currency is an abstraction that relates to the system as a whole

2019-12-29 18:02:56 UTC  

what about what the 100 dollar bills represent to the person holding onto the money?

2019-12-29 18:03:05 UTC  

What if that person, like you, thinks "I can use this to pay taxes"

2019-12-29 18:03:26 UTC  

They certainly could

2019-12-29 18:03:27 UTC  

then is it equivalent to the currency?

2019-12-29 18:03:36 UTC  

since that's apparantly all you care about

2019-12-29 18:04:29 UTC  

I swear americans have this odd obsession with taxes no other nation has.

2019-12-29 18:04:32 UTC  

Since millions of American individuals and corporations owe taxes is US dollars, the dollar has a consistent demand floor

2019-12-29 18:04:38 UTC  

The dependability of the fed collecting the taxes every year is what backs it up. What do YOU think backs it up? @✨Skolander✨

2019-12-29 18:04:43 UTC  

It's not just America, that's most fiat based countries

2019-12-29 18:05:02 UTC  

No, not a single fiat based country functions like that.

2019-12-29 18:05:16 UTC  

Obviously it's working and we don't have vaults of gold for all our dollars anymore...

2019-12-29 18:05:22 UTC  

All of them, except for the ones in trade blocks where there is an extra step, like the Eurozone

2019-12-29 18:05:32 UTC  

The US is big and powerful enough that the "promise" is enough

2019-12-29 18:05:46 UTC  

If governments collapsed entirely, falling into total anarchy, people could still use the same damn physical paper as a trade medium, ie. a currency

2019-12-29 18:06:05 UTC  

the only reason we use fiat currency is because it is less volatile

2019-12-29 18:06:08 UTC  

that's about it

2019-12-29 18:06:23 UTC  

under anarchy it would return to being as volatile as any other currency

2019-12-29 18:06:28 UTC  

They could try and use it, but I would expect the dollar to have some serious problems if the US fedgov fell

2019-12-29 18:06:39 UTC  

irrelevant

2019-12-29 18:06:42 UTC  

they could use it just the same

2019-12-29 18:06:59 UTC  

whatever value it has, is because people believe it has value

2019-12-29 18:07:08 UTC  

The bond holders wouldn't get their coupons or redemption, so that would b ea major problem

2019-12-29 18:07:15 UTC  

why wouldn't they?

2019-12-29 18:07:19 UTC  

no more fedgov

2019-12-29 18:07:25 UTC  

who is going to pay the bond coupons?

2019-12-29 18:07:33 UTC  

idk, that's a logistics problem

2019-12-29 18:07:34 UTC  

I wonder what point you're trying to make @✨Skolander✨?

2019-12-29 18:07:48 UTC  

@Dr.Cosby that none of you fundamentally understand what currency is.