Message from @✨Skolander✨

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2019-12-29 17:44:57 UTC  

There is no "demand" for the dollar as a trade medium. There's only demand for goods and services and money.

2019-12-29 17:46:02 UTC  

He asked what backs up the value of the dollar, the answer is the government and our common belief in its legitimacy and value. Taxes don't even enter the conversation.

2019-12-29 17:46:02 UTC  

GG @✨Skolander✨, you just advanced to level 6!

2019-12-29 17:46:43 UTC  

I swear talking to Americans about economics is nothing but hell.

2019-12-29 17:53:00 UTC  

Taxes are a major part of the conversation, thats what gives the dollar its root demand

2019-12-29 17:53:44 UTC  

The fact that Americans need dollars to pay taxes is what 'backs' the dollar

2019-12-29 17:55:34 UTC  

they also need to pay rent, food and other shit.

2019-12-29 17:56:23 UTC  

They do, but they can't be compelled to buy that the way they can with us dollar denominated taxes

2019-12-29 17:56:23 UTC  

Moronic answer, that doesn't actually understand the difference between fiat money and the trade medium is.

2019-12-29 17:56:57 UTC  

in this case, the fiat money that is the US dollar is also the world's preferred trade medium

2019-12-29 17:57:03 UTC  

The government doesn't care how you pay the taxes

2019-12-29 17:57:12 UTC  

It sure does, it requires us dollars

2019-12-29 17:57:15 UTC  

if you gave them 1000 euro they would accept it.

2019-12-29 17:57:19 UTC  

they would not

2019-12-29 17:57:22 UTC  

they will just convert it and charge you the fee

2019-12-29 17:57:55 UTC  

```Note: Payments of U.S. tax must be remitted to the U.S. Internal Revenue Service (IRS) in U.S. dollars.```

2019-12-29 17:58:14 UTC  

that's the standard response

2019-12-29 17:58:21 UTC  

cuz they dont wanna have to deal with converting the currencies

2019-12-29 17:59:01 UTC  

Again, demand for US dollars to pay US taxes is what 'backs' the us dollar

2019-12-29 17:59:15 UTC  

we are not talking about the fucking demand

2019-12-29 17:59:19 UTC  

you absolute moron.

2019-12-29 17:59:19 UTC  

that is your answer @borealice

2019-12-29 17:59:31 UTC  

you don't understand the question.

2019-12-29 17:59:55 UTC  

You could just avoid paying taxes, what then, does it suddenly hold no value?

2019-12-29 18:00:31 UTC  

I might, but millions of Americans do not avoid paying taxes, primarily because of their paychecks having automatic deductions

2019-12-29 18:00:37 UTC  

not to mention corporate taxes

2019-12-29 18:00:46 UTC  

irrelevant fluff.

2019-12-29 18:01:06 UTC  

the core issue is what gives the dollar, the currency, its value

2019-12-29 18:01:16 UTC  

Taxes

2019-12-29 18:01:31 UTC  

do you understand the difference between the dollar as a currency, and a stack of printed out 100 dollar bills?

2019-12-29 18:01:40 UTC  

I do

2019-12-29 18:01:46 UTC  

what's the difference

2019-12-29 18:01:52 UTC  

enlighten us, humor the chat

2019-12-29 18:02:10 UTC  

a stack of 100 dollar bills would be physical objects. the dollar as a currency is an abstraction that relates to the system as a whole

2019-12-29 18:02:56 UTC  

what about what the 100 dollar bills represent to the person holding onto the money?

2019-12-29 18:03:05 UTC  

What if that person, like you, thinks "I can use this to pay taxes"

2019-12-29 18:03:26 UTC  

They certainly could

2019-12-29 18:03:27 UTC  

then is it equivalent to the currency?

2019-12-29 18:03:36 UTC  

since that's apparantly all you care about

2019-12-29 18:04:29 UTC  

I swear americans have this odd obsession with taxes no other nation has.

2019-12-29 18:04:32 UTC  

Since millions of American individuals and corporations owe taxes is US dollars, the dollar has a consistent demand floor