Message from @druiz

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2020-03-01 20:42:27 UTC  

My parents could die in their 80's now due to coronavirus

2020-03-01 20:42:45 UTC  

Vs being shot in their 30s by commumists

2020-03-01 20:42:55 UTC  

So stopping disease is communist.

2020-03-01 20:42:56 UTC  

Lmao

2020-03-01 20:43:09 UTC  

We need to prevent this disease from spreading like it did in China, at all costs.

2020-03-01 20:43:14 UTC  

It's easy to criticize but noone wants to develop solutions

2020-03-01 20:43:20 UTC  

If anything, dead grandpas would help commies (millions saved in unpaid pensions)

2020-03-01 20:43:43 UTC  

The solution is pretty simple, impose extensive checking of infected areas.

2020-03-01 20:43:48 UTC  

There're already jokes on how countries like France and Spain want Coronavirus to run wild so they save a few hundred millions

2020-03-01 20:44:14 UTC  

Unless you want to be like Italy, where the government is doing jack, and they are paying the price.

2020-03-01 20:44:34 UTC  

There is an economic incentive to slow the spread as well, to prevent market panic.

2020-03-01 20:44:39 UTC  

In Spain, the average pensioner starts getting more money than he ever gave to the government THIRTEEN years after retirement (age 78 if you worked until you're 65, the legal limit)

2020-03-01 20:45:09 UTC  

Imagine if you could kill a few thousand old people with some shitty virus

2020-03-01 20:45:52 UTC  

Pensioners should get exactly what they gave + interest.

2020-03-01 20:46:54 UTC  

At least if we're talking about govt. pensions.

2020-03-01 20:47:07 UTC  

In most countries, you get money until you're dead, which means the current life expectancy is making pensions entirely unsustainable

2020-03-01 20:47:22 UTC  

We can't stop the spread, best we can do is slow the spread so our hospitals can keep up

2020-03-01 20:47:44 UTC  

Which is what every medical pro has been saying

2020-03-01 20:47:48 UTC  

Pensions were designed for most people to die BEFORE they ever see a cent and the rest to die at like 75

2020-03-01 20:48:03 UTC  

Now we're seeing A LOT of people in their 80s and 90s, the system is NOT sustainable at all

2020-03-01 20:48:34 UTC  

A big part of the pension problem is politicians raiding the funds to pay for gimmiedats

2020-03-01 20:48:42 UTC  

Pensions were designed for higher fertility rates.

2020-03-01 20:48:59 UTC  

The solution is not mass immigration either, legal or illegal.

2020-03-01 20:49:12 UTC  

@Roland Delacroix - Nah, man, remember the stat I told just a couple of minutes ago: in Spain, you're making the government lose money the moment you start your 14th year as a pensioner

2020-03-01 20:49:35 UTC  

A fuckton of people are retiring at age 60, then living to like 85-90

2020-03-01 20:49:36 UTC  

They are raising retirement age soon btw, so this will help.

2020-03-01 20:50:01 UTC  

But they are raising too slowly.

2020-03-01 20:50:12 UTC  

65 to 67 over 22 years?

2020-03-01 20:50:24 UTC  

Should be 65 yo 67 in 5 years.

2020-03-01 20:50:31 UTC  

@christiam - The system in Spain makes some people able to retire earlier than the limit (65). If you've worked consecutively all your life, you can retire at like 58-60

2020-03-01 20:51:32 UTC  

Some people wait till 65 because their pension is gonna be SMALLER than their current salary but a lot retire early

2020-03-01 20:56:00 UTC  

Pensions are always smaller than a working salary

2020-03-01 20:56:08 UTC  

Or should be

2020-03-01 20:56:27 UTC  

Nah, depends on your previous jobs

2020-03-01 20:56:30 UTC  

Very rarely you get someone who worked the system

2020-03-01 20:56:49 UTC  

If you used to have positions of power and now you don't, it can happen that your pension is gonna be HIGHER than your final salary

2020-03-01 20:56:57 UTC  

Why would you need more money when retired? You have non-work related costs

2020-03-01 20:57:26 UTC  

Pensions are usually some percentage of your ending salary, like 60%

2020-03-01 20:57:46 UTC  

In Spain it's calculated using your jobs of like the final 15 years plus the amount of days you've worked full-time and part-time

2020-03-01 20:59:05 UTC  

Right, and you get like 20% of that 3x a year or something