Part of the cost of freedom is increased risk, in the west we decided that was a good trade

It still is

Muh freedom to be infected.

Sorry, we need government protection against a highly deadly virus.

https://www.carbonbrief.org/analysis-coronavirus-has-temporarily-reduced-chinas-co2-emissions-by-a-quarter

My parents could die in their 80's now due to coronavirus

Vs being shot in their 30s by commumists

So stopping disease is communist.

Lmao

We need to prevent this disease from spreading like it did in China, at all costs.

It's easy to criticize but noone wants to develop solutions

If anything, dead grandpas would help commies (millions saved in unpaid pensions)

The solution is pretty simple, impose extensive checking of infected areas.

There're already jokes on how countries like France and Spain want Coronavirus to run wild so they save a few hundred millions

Unless you want to be like Italy, where the government is doing jack, and they are paying the price.

There is an economic incentive to slow the spread as well, to prevent market panic.

In Spain, the average pensioner starts getting more money than he ever gave to the government THIRTEEN years after retirement (age 78 if you worked until you're 65, the legal limit)

Imagine if you could kill a few thousand old people with some shitty virus

Pensioners should get exactly what they gave + interest.

At least if we're talking about govt. pensions.

In most countries, you get money until you're dead, which means the current life expectancy is making pensions entirely unsustainable

We can't stop the spread, best we can do is slow the spread so our hospitals can keep up

Which is what every medical pro has been saying

Pensions were designed for most people to die BEFORE they ever see a cent and the rest to die at like 75

Now we're seeing A LOT of people in their 80s and 90s, the system is NOT sustainable at all

A big part of the pension problem is politicians raiding the funds to pay for gimmiedats

Pensions were designed for higher fertility rates.

The solution is not mass immigration either, legal or illegal.

@Roland Delacroix - Nah, man, remember the stat I told just a couple of minutes ago: in Spain, you're making the government lose money the moment you start your 14th year as a pensioner

A fuckton of people are retiring at age 60, then living to like 85-90

They are raising retirement age soon btw, so this will help.

But they are raising too slowly.

65 to 67 over 22 years?

Should be 65 yo 67 in 5 years.

@christiam - The system in Spain makes some people able to retire earlier than the limit (65). If you've worked consecutively all your life, you can retire at like 58-60

Some people wait till 65 because their pension is gonna be SMALLER than their current salary but a lot retire early

Pensions are always smaller than a working salary

Or should be

Nah, depends on your previous jobs

Very rarely you get someone who worked the system

If you used to have positions of power and now you don't, it can happen that your pension is gonna be HIGHER than your final salary