Message from @classy

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2019-07-28 01:06:17 UTC  

at any stage of capitalism workers are being exploited

2019-07-28 01:07:10 UTC  

because only 1 person owns the MOP

2019-07-28 01:07:16 UTC  

in capitalism

2019-07-28 01:13:56 UTC  

I think some amount of capitalism is important to encourage innovation, performance, and competition

2019-07-28 01:15:13 UTC  

Completely eliminating classes is unrealistic (at least before some kind of a technological singularity)

2019-07-28 01:15:36 UTC  

so looking at the USSR

2019-07-28 01:15:46 UTC  

who kicked the U.S ass in the space race

2019-07-28 01:15:55 UTC  

But simply going by "supply and demand" is also very inadequate

2019-07-28 01:16:01 UTC  

invented laser eye surgery

2019-07-28 01:16:05 UTC  

made a lot of computers

2019-07-28 01:16:13 UTC  

and they came from feudalism

2019-07-28 01:16:19 UTC  

and had like 19% literacy

2019-07-28 01:16:55 UTC  

but after the USSR was made they were up to 97% in the 70s

2019-07-28 01:17:45 UTC  

what's poopin?

2019-07-28 01:17:54 UTC  

The USSR was both a strong boon for the Russian people and something that left a whole lot of damage (as well as the many issues with the system during it's implementation)

2019-07-28 01:18:26 UTC  

My parents are Russians who lived their lives in the USSR before they had me (right around the fall of the USSR) and migrated to the USA

2019-07-28 01:18:40 UTC  

Trust me, I have heard about a million stories (besides doing my own research)

2019-07-28 01:18:57 UTC  

the USSR in the 80s and 90s wasnt great

2019-07-28 01:19:03 UTC  

due to capitalist policies

2019-07-28 01:19:15 UTC  

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2019-07-28 01:19:34 UTC  

and they spent way too much on the military

2019-07-28 01:20:03 UTC  

The education was excellent, for the most part (as far as technical knowledge goes). But the scarcity of resources and limits on personal freedom were really terrible. Of course, there are confounding variables such as the iron curtain

2019-07-28 01:20:03 UTC  

🆙 | **Dr.Gobus leveled up!**

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2019-07-28 01:20:40 UTC  

Marxism is actually quite progressive as far as human rights go - but the USSR did not embrace those aspects of the ideology

2019-07-28 01:21:00 UTC  

marxism is culturally far left so yes

2019-07-28 01:21:55 UTC  

I find religion (especially the organized kind) really awful and terrible - but even more terrible were the government sanctions (or prohibitions?) on practicing religion

2019-07-28 01:22:10 UTC  

(as one example)

2019-07-28 01:22:58 UTC  

Again, a confounding variable perhaps - as the USSR had many of their own stipulations that had nothing to do with Marxism

2019-07-28 01:23:25 UTC  

religion causes problems

2019-07-28 01:23:25 UTC  

GG @classy, you just advanced to level 2!

2019-07-28 01:23:26 UTC  

so

2019-07-28 01:23:32 UTC  

i support them trying to ban it

2019-07-28 01:24:13 UTC  

but doesn't religion also give people hope? and as long as it isn't like... forceful in any way it's fine I think

2019-07-28 01:24:14 UTC  

Religion DOES cause problems - but government prohibitions don't really curb the religious. It creates martyrs and shit

2019-07-28 01:24:29 UTC  

religion may give people hope but its a scam

2019-07-28 01:24:30 UTC  

For example, despite the USSR, Russia is still a deeply religious state

2019-07-28 01:24:39 UTC  

you give them a ton of money monthly

2019-07-28 01:24:46 UTC  

and it divides the working calss

2019-07-28 01:24:48 UTC  

class*

2019-07-28 01:24:49 UTC  

well yeah it is a scam if you don't believe in it

2019-07-28 01:25:26 UTC  

The many years of prosecution and it being "under the table" didn't really change the sentiment of the Russian people - who are still fanatically faithful and intellectually defunct on many faith-related issues