Those would be my main points

@Gerry So is a childless couple more available to work longer hours or less available on average would you say?

Mostly for the good of the nation

Yes but a could with children will keep the nation going

Couple*

@Gerry Ok I just want to discuss your first point on productivity first, then we can talk about the life of the child for the nation.

Alright

What were you wondering

@Gerry So would a childless couple work more, or work less on average would you say?

More

@Gerry So a childless couple would on average, be more productive, correct?

Yes that would be correct

@Gerry Okay, now as a life for the nation. What about immigration instead? Instead of raising a child from birth where the child has many years of not being productive, why not let in an immigrant that is already an adult and already ready to be productive in the nation?

Ahh the thing is integration

You need to integrate them into society

you assume the immigrant has the same values and will keep the nation the way it is

@Zandu I don't assume that, no.

the immigrant may not appreciate the way of life they're moving in to and will vote against what made the country worth moving in to to begin with

And the thing with that is that it might take just as long to integrate them as it is to raise a child

certain immigrants categorically will not vote in any manner that isn't consistent with their religious beliefs

@Gerry At what age is a person ready to work and be productive in society?

18 if it’s a manual labor job

But it’s significantly higher if they want a higher education

@Gerry So it may take 18 years for an adult immigrant to start being productive in a nation's society?

not "productive"... assimilate to the culture

To give them the right values and beliefs

Perhaps

But then again an immigrant with a different skin tone will always stand out

No matter what

lots of immigrants self-segregate and have no intention on adapting to the values of the land they've escaped to

Yes that is true

it's innate to want to be with people you can more closely relate to

@Gerry But if it comes down to a question of productivity itself, how long do you think it would take for an adult immigrant to start being productive in a nation's society?

That depends on where they are from

nobody cares about productiveness if their ideologies will slowly erode away at the fabric of the nation's identity

If it’s a place with radically different religious views it will take an eternity

But let’s say they are from Poland

Then

also there can't be a metric for that for people who innately think they cannot assimilate because it would mean apotasy

It won’t take long

@Gerry How long, on average, would you say the average immigrant would take to get a job in a nation's society?