@Gerry Okay, now as a life for the nation. What about immigration instead? Instead of raising a child from birth where the child has many years of not being productive, why not let in an immigrant that is already an adult and already ready to be productive in the nation?

Ahh the thing is integration

You need to integrate them into society

you assume the immigrant has the same values and will keep the nation the way it is

@Zandu I don't assume that, no.

the immigrant may not appreciate the way of life they're moving in to and will vote against what made the country worth moving in to to begin with

And the thing with that is that it might take just as long to integrate them as it is to raise a child

certain immigrants categorically will not vote in any manner that isn't consistent with their religious beliefs

@Gerry At what age is a person ready to work and be productive in society?

18 if it’s a manual labor job

But it’s significantly higher if they want a higher education

@Gerry So it may take 18 years for an adult immigrant to start being productive in a nation's society?

not "productive"... assimilate to the culture

To give them the right values and beliefs

Perhaps

But then again an immigrant with a different skin tone will always stand out

No matter what

lots of immigrants self-segregate and have no intention on adapting to the values of the land they've escaped to

Yes that is true

it's innate to want to be with people you can more closely relate to

@Gerry But if it comes down to a question of productivity itself, how long do you think it would take for an adult immigrant to start being productive in a nation's society?

That depends on where they are from

nobody cares about productiveness if their ideologies will slowly erode away at the fabric of the nation's identity

If it’s a place with radically different religious views it will take an eternity

But let’s say they are from Poland

Then

also there can't be a metric for that for people who innately think they cannot assimilate because it would mean apotasy

It won’t take long

@Gerry How long, on average, would you say the average immigrant would take to get a job in a nation's society?

If you have a farm, having 9 kids could be productive

As I said it depends on where they are from

I don't know why you're focused on "getting a job" being the main focus of prosperity

Fuck

@Gerry Okay what if you only allowed immigration from certain countries in that case?

Like if they are from Poland

The;

Then*

so as not to erode constitutional values that make this country better than others in the first place

It should only take a few years

if it's not better than others then why would anyone want to immigrate here

@Gerry What if you only allowed immigration from countries you felt would assimilate well?