Message from @Gerry
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@Gerry So the problem you have with abortion is not really the aborting of the fetus itself, it's more about the societal consequences, like being less productive as an individual or losing that one life for the nation, correct?
Yes that would be correct
@Gerry Okay, so are people with children more productive in society or less productive in society?
People with families tend to be very productive in their earlier years
And then they settle down and usually have a year off to raise the child
And then they will go back to being productive
But their children will also be productive eventually
So it’s like schooling
It is an investment
You usually get something back
But occasionally you get a loss
@Gerry Okay the 2 points you have are basically 1. Productivity 2. The life of the individual for the nation itself. Correct?
Yes
Those would be my main points
@Gerry So is a childless couple more available to work longer hours or less available on average would you say?
Mostly for the good of the nation
Yes but a could with children will keep the nation going
Couple*
@Gerry Ok I just want to discuss your first point on productivity first, then we can talk about the life of the child for the nation.
Alright
@Gerry So would a childless couple work more, or work less on average would you say?
More
@Gerry So a childless couple would on average, be more productive, correct?
Yes that would be correct
@Gerry Okay, now as a life for the nation. What about immigration instead? Instead of raising a child from birth where the child has many years of not being productive, why not let in an immigrant that is already an adult and already ready to be productive in the nation?
Ahh the thing is integration
You need to integrate them into society
you assume the immigrant has the same values and will keep the nation the way it is
the immigrant may not appreciate the way of life they're moving in to and will vote against what made the country worth moving in to to begin with
And the thing with that is that it might take just as long to integrate them as it is to raise a child
certain immigrants categorically will not vote in any manner that isn't consistent with their religious beliefs
@Gerry At what age is a person ready to work and be productive in society?
18 if it’s a manual labor job
But it’s significantly higher if they want a higher education
@Gerry So it may take 18 years for an adult immigrant to start being productive in a nation's society?
not "productive"... assimilate to the culture
To give them the right values and beliefs
Perhaps
But then again an immigrant with a different skin tone will always stand out