Message from @Beemann

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2018-07-20 16:01:40 UTC  

i shall report my results back

2018-07-20 16:06:14 UTC  

For the record, when I said hunters, I meant it much more broadly. I would count a soldier as a hunter. One of humans but a hunter none the less. So the gear came from the people who designed it to fit their need, then the wannabe hunters come and use it because it looks cool. "Look at me, I can totally do all the things these other people do!"

2018-07-20 19:28:42 UTC  

I am curious about the use of language, but I don't want to dicktate people how to use it

2018-07-20 19:29:40 UTC  

As for the left wordbending: they have nothing to offer when it comes to the official language

2018-07-20 19:30:33 UTC  

Official language exists for a reason and is backed with actual power and money, because people need to make deals that have no room for cheeky business and wordplay

2018-07-20 19:30:52 UTC  

Hence I am not too worried about it

2018-07-20 19:35:36 UTC  

the problem with language is that it is always changing

2018-07-20 19:36:11 UTC  

strictly enforcing rules kills it and prevents it from growing to describe new ideas or connections we have made

2018-07-20 19:36:32 UTC  

its why we made language, or one of the reasons, to take these thoughts and convey them to other people

2018-07-20 19:36:40 UTC  

and we have found many ways to do so

2018-07-20 19:36:57 UTC  

but you also cannot just make up your own stuff, at least not without explaining it.

2018-07-20 19:37:06 UTC  

because then people will not understand you

2018-07-20 19:37:11 UTC  

and you will be isolated

2018-07-20 19:42:38 UTC  

Languages do evolve, thus we need language reforms now and then

2018-07-20 19:43:02 UTC  

But we also need the "standard" language to conduct business without misunderstanding

2018-07-20 21:14:03 UTC  

reporting back.... yeah its not that lefty, lol was jsut conservatives that ken burns is a left himself XD

2018-07-20 21:14:14 UTC  

the vietnam war

2018-07-20 22:54:57 UTC  

Language needs to evolve for utility. When you reduce utility (figuratively using literally) you are not growing the language

2018-07-20 22:56:04 UTC  

You are actually making it harder to communicate certain ideas

2018-07-20 23:02:16 UTC  

languages simultaneously increase and decrease in simplicity in different areas

2018-07-20 23:03:21 UTC  

Sure, but you need to be cognizant of where that's happening and why, or you might find your future a little doubleplus ungood comrade

2018-07-20 23:04:45 UTC  

languages have generally evolved very organically, if something would ruin the language it simply won't catch on

2018-07-20 23:04:50 UTC  

unless you force it

2018-07-20 23:05:33 UTC  

Have is not an assurance of will

2018-07-20 23:05:35 UTC  

although sometimes you do end up with tibetan, and nobody ever wants their language to turn into tibetan

2018-07-20 23:06:45 UTC  

given the amount of time languages have been evolving, i can confidently say we will not fuck up any language unless we start manually fucking with it

2018-07-20 23:07:21 UTC  

Right, and that's the danger I'm rather specifically referring to

2018-07-20 23:07:38 UTC  

so, manually fucking with language??

2018-07-20 23:07:52 UTC  

Do you remember the "old" definition of racism?

2018-07-20 23:08:20 UTC  

oh yeah, the trend of trying to intentionally redefine words is certainly very very bad

2018-07-20 23:08:57 UTC  

Yes, and to that extent I think keeping terminology in the clear is important

2018-07-20 23:10:58 UTC  

sorry, i jumped in in the middle and, given your figuratively/literally example thought you were talking about the excessive use of hyperbole in english, not the malicious redefining of words

2018-07-20 23:11:57 UTC  

No I just mean redefining at either the loss of utility wholesale, or for partisan purposes

2018-07-20 23:12:25 UTC  

I honestly don't think we gain anything by losing the word literally to emphasis, but it was just an example of how utility can be lost

2018-07-20 23:14:19 UTC  

well, for the literally example, it will eventually reach the point where literally and figuratively will be synonyms and we will be using a new word that means something similar enough to the current definition of literally

2018-07-20 23:14:34 UTC  

and then at some point either literally or figuratively will probably fall out of use

2018-07-20 23:15:02 UTC  

language is a big dumb ride that usually doesn't actually go anywhere lol

2018-07-20 23:15:21 UTC  

I think it *can* go somewhere

2018-07-20 23:15:41 UTC  

It just goes there occasionally, and in spite of the userbase

2018-07-20 23:15:52 UTC  

yeah, it takes an absurd amount of time though. most changes are just going in circles

2018-07-21 01:11:38 UTC  

There's also organic changes in a word that are not so good.

Like the continual redefinition of violence to where now words are violence