Message from @QuakeIV
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when we move to electrically controlled everything
Is the ATF going to classify all of it as "Easily converted to fully automatic"
because when you're literally autoloading with solenoids and gas, and a button is just controlling a brain box
there's really nothing stopping you from tapping in
Well until there is a major breakthrough that is functional/ practical for the everyday idiot we are stuck with what we have for the most part for a while
We're stuck fighting for AR15s
If you're doing away with the mechanical hammer in exchange for an electronic ignition, you're dependent on electronics anyway, would it be worthwhile to go the extra mile and do away with the whole gas operation and simply have electrical operation? What are some practical considerations/hurdles?
running out of battery and being unable to cycle the gun except manually for one
you would ideally have some way to draw a bit of power from the cartridges to drive the action
if not neccesarily via gas then something else
nobody likes needing two kinds of thing to make their gun work
the ammo
and then the other ammo
to make the first ammo work
maybe electromagnetically draw power from a coil along the bore of the barrel?
>shrug
then bullet passing through the coil induces current to drive the mechanism
i dunno how well that would work though
it would probably need to be a superconductor to generate enough power
e.g. motor rotating a wheel, wheel transfers motion to a piston (steam engine style), piston attaches to bolt
well yes but if the bolt is reciprocating back under power already then what is the electricity even doing for you
It wouldn't, the bolt is typically gas-operated, here you'd do away with the gas operation entirely
are we talking purely doing away with a firing pin? i dunno that building a steam engine style crank to charge things up is actually simpler than a mechanical firing pin
No
well i mean unless its delayed blowback, there is no such thing as the bolt moving except via some kind of gas operation
well wait okay maybe the unlocking could be electronic
Getting rid of the firing pin and using an electrical pulse for ignition (like a spark plug, even) is a very obvious go-to when you're going for something caseless
then the rest of the extraction is from the force of the casing being driven out of the barrel by gas force
There's a hunting rifle that does that, on the market
Electric ignition
so it electronically unlocks the bolt from the chamber instead of using gas to do that
and then the bolt goes back under residual gas pressure
that might actually be a fair bit simpler
wouldnt be nearly as fiddly to design either since you arent trying to magic correct bolt-unlock timing out of gas pressure and mechanical know-how
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electronic_firing
This is what I'm thinking.
If you want caseless memes, electronic firing makes sense and provides potential benefits despite making you need two types of "ammunition", the physical ammo and batteries.
So next step, then, was to go all electronic in the chambering process as well since you're using batteries anyway. That hybrid system you're proposing with an electronically unlocked bolt and residual gas pressure sounds even better, best of two worlds
God, the G11 was only in a hand full of games and most of them don't even seem good or are MP only.
and I wanted to use it in a game...
Fallout 2 has it, as well as a fictional Gatling in the same ammunition
Holds up better than Fallout 4 by today's standards
Electronic ignition is pretty simple, arguably more so than mechanical, and can be pretty effectively ruggedized, but electronic operation doesn't seem worthwhile IMO
ignition just needs contacts, close a circuit, send a pulse to the primer, done. Electronic operation would require servos or something equivalent to them, and it doesn't really add anything over gas operation