But I'm not an economist, that was just the first thing that came to mind.

And I was only talking about the Mexican crisis in a void, not how that problem spills over into the US, because I see the illegal immigration as a symptom of that. I wasn't even contesting your claim about Mexico also possibly being bad because of the populations average IQ, and even acknowledged that "you could be right" about it.
I was just saying that building the wall and strengthening immigration policies *and enforcement* is probably the best thing we can do for Mexico and give them the best opportunity to reform. Now, if we did all of that and they still did nothing about their situation, then it's safe to say it's entirely on them at that point.

The issue of the hispanic population growing in the US I'm not denying exists, I just for the sake of the conversation about Mexico was just separating it for right now.

I was just saying that the situation in Mexico is so bad right now that there is nothing that can fix it at this point other than just a full-scale revolution, that's all.

Whether they actually conduct such a revolution is entirely up to them.

gotta anneal brass tonight

Wait, if wealth is imported that means Iceland is selling stuff, right?

...like I said, I'm not an economist...

Well, that's the US public education system for you right there. lol

Even back in my day they were more worried about teaching kids about how great islam was than more practical stuff.

Like economics.

My point with Iceland was that a country can be wealthy without many natural resources. I think another good exsample is Japan which like Iceland doesn't have many natural resources and has natural disasters every few years or so and dosen't even grow enough food to feed themsleves but because they Japanes IQ is so high they are successful.
As I said earlier I agree that illegal immigration is not a good thing I wouldn't care if it was illegal Canadian immigration or Rusian it would still be bad for America. I have to dissagree with you that a revolution would help Mexico no system of government tried in Mexico has made it anywhere as prosperous as Texsa. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_between_U.S._states_and_countries_by_GDP_(nominal)
Mexico will never be as prospeous untill the Mexican people improve.

Mexico would be even worse off were it not for the huge amount of money that people send from the US to Mexico--more than $26 billion during Jan-Nov 2017 http://money.cnn.com/2018/01/02/news/economy/mexico-remittances/index.html

Basically, "Mexico would be worse off if it weren't leeching off of the US's economy."

That's pretty evident.

I'd rather Mexico be a viable country and trade partner than one that is practically being subsidized by the United States and dragging us down with them.

Very true mate but you have to rember that alot of hispanics want to regain the forma Mexican territories it has lost to America to either rejoin Mexico or create a new country and with demographic trends I don't see how you will stop them.

I wouldn't say "alot" believe that (I am just guessing though) but there is a determined group that do agree to the whole Aztlan movement: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aztl%C3%A1n#Use_by_the_Chicano_movement

@JadenFrostwolf Whether you like it or not America is already subsidizing Mexico and it's still shit. https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2017/01/26/us-aid-320-million-mexico-wall-trump-specialists-backfire/97103024/

Yeah.
Well, whether it be from an active coordinated effort or through sheer coincidence, the effect is going to be the same: those states/territories are going to become majority hispanic.

California is leading the way

(into the shitter)

Both demographically and econonically/politically

( i butchered that spelling)

Again, though, that doesn't detract from my point that I'd rather Mexico be a legitimate country with it's own flourishing economy and an actual trade partner and just justifies that desire.

But that's just not gonna happen without massive changes, changes which I don't see as likely to happen 'on their own.'

I would agree with that. They should sink or swim on their own. Unfortunately if they do fail then nothing short of a solid wall from Pacific to Gulf would prevent a tidal wave of people coming north

@JadenFrostwolf The only way that could happen if Mexico had a better population and a homogeneous population.

Mexico is pretty homogeneous, isn't it?

It's a blending of natives and Spanish with a smattering of other groups in small numbers thrown in

https://www.statista.com/statistics/275439/ethnic-groups-in-mexico/

But yeah, I think the main reason there has not been a revolution by now is because people can flee into the US. If there is an out from a bad situation, people will take it; though, if someone is cornered and trapped, they will fight or submit, and under such circumstances people will only submit for so long.

For example, there is (or at least was) a small group of blonde haired, blue eyed Mennonites living there

I wasn't aware of the varied ethnicities in Mexico.

We can all agreee with you there Jaden. The Mexicans need to stay in Mexico.

I do know that the 'natives' of the land before the Spanish arrived still resided there in small numbers... I think the Aztecs? They were very distinct from the Mexicans because they were far shorter. You could tell them apart just by looking at them.

I didn't know about the other ethnicities, though.

Interesting.

But yeah, I'm fully aware of the racial displacement going on in the SW right now. I grew up in it.

I saw first-hand as neighborhoods turned into ghettos and garbage dumps.

I know detractors will scream, "ANECDOTE!! ANECDOTE!! HISSS!!", but I just don't care. lol