if you effect welfare you will just kill people

or force them to kill you

the fact that money isint solving the problem doesent mean they arnt dependent on it

I mean, or they could get a job where they're not drug tested...

they arnt just going to find the solution to their problems and act right just because they have their food taken from them

they have guns

not if they're on drugs.

they think guns solve their problems

I mean, they're not supposed to, legally.

If they're on drugs, and they're armed, they've committed at least a couple felonies.

within the framework of current laws, anyway.

legally isint going to be a problem for them your talking about effecting millions of people all at the same time who have violent tendencys and are only inseler to their own communitys because thats comfertible for them, make it uncomfertible shits going to get bad

Arresting people for drugs isnt helping their long term prospects.

I'm actually inclined to agree, there.

Not saying legalizing it is my path.

The main point, though, is that our safety net is too comfortable.

But you need to give them something to do besides drugs.

That too

The gymnast performs better without the net.

taking money away wont cause fathers to stay with the women they put babys into

it will just starve people

no but it won't promote women to get babies for free money either

There are certain incentives within the laws in place that promote fatherless households.

And create people who will rely on welfare

What Jayred and Ginga said are valid as well.

although Ginga's was a little crudely put.

hm maybe it would work if you made it "any application past this point" and ensured all applications prior

actually, both were. 😛

Heres the issue, people will be reckless and stupid regardless,

But you don't somehow make people more responsible by covering every mistake they make, they'll just be less caring because theres no chance for failure

because the thing you need to not do is starve people to death

people who CAN and WANT to work shoud not starve to death

they cant

welfare leeches can rot for all i care

People who CAN'T work but want to shouldn't starve, either.

you seem to beleive that jobs exist in these communitys where no ones had a job in generations

because of the wellfair problem

It's specifically the combination of Can and Don't Want To that are the problem.

the whole point of welfare is to support people who can't work, and be a safety net for people who accidentally failed and need a hand back up

Right now, welfare is a system where its "qualify and you get free money"

So you incentivise being useless

i know these people CAN work, your thinking on principle, you need to start thinking practicly. if the problem is people not working, and the problem has existed for generations, theres not likely to be many jobs in the neighberhood when millions of people need them.

and no i don't believe jobs exist in those communities, but what happened to moving away from those places in the first place?