combined with a culture being funded that promoted a helpless attitude about the whole thing

These things, of course, coming from a time where racism WAS far more prevalent and acceptable

There were mistakes made, and there were intentional steps taken

and it's hard to tell which ones were which

But if you spot the most successful, sound minded black people, they've got a built in sense of personal responsibility and self-actualization

one that in the standard culture is ridiculed.

handling african american rehabilitation into the untited states after slavory needed to be with a lot of care. its actually a testamont to the endurence of human spirit in my opinion that they have managed to come this far because they were at a disadvantage like no other group of people has ever been in human history

Hence my point: The money that did change hands to the black community

Did not happen from the black community itself

It had to come from somewhere.

not even in a racial manor, though i think that was part of it. but from slaves to having to compete on the same terms with slave owners and natives who had centurys of built up wealth

You have to look at what was funded.

Civil Rights groups like the NAACP, whose entire existance DEPENDS on black oppression

anyway its a bigger thing than black people in the usa

because that video this conversation comes out of is scotland

which is why im speaking in terms of immigrants and not black people specificly

I hate to score an own-goal here concerning other arguments

or people without an ethnic or relatibly ethnic background in the culture they live in

but you have to consider, for a split second

that the problematic guy in the video

isn't native,

"Alloysious Massaquoi was born in Liberia and moved at the age of four to Edinburgh, where he attended Boroughmuir High School."

so it would be even harder for him to emulate with the native culture

Right.

i mean not to an extreme deal because hey the difference between born and 4 in terms of relating to a culture isint that much, but i can ignore it

cant*

It would also have a lot to do with the means, reasons, and parental situation in migration.

basicly ive been trying to argue an ethnonationalist point this entire time which is to say that if you dont have an ethnic relation to the culture you live in then its harder for you to suport that culture. i supose the next line of thought would be "why live in a culture you dont have ehtnic relation too"

Put simply, culture can be chosen.

If you don't want to live in a culture you have no relationship to, that's a choice.

it can, but its easier to choose when theres people tto look up to in it that you can relate to. and its scentificly proven we relate to people who look more like us better than those who dont, regardless of our race

on average

Most definitely.

I can get that.

But then we get into the realm of authoritarianism.

Just because something is the average

does that mean that you make your laws based on that average?

Do you make your laws rigid, and in opposition to the outliers?

At what point is the cutoff of majority?

51%? 75%? are the bottom 25% the problem? the bottom 10%?

If you remove those, the average shifts.