again, you are correct

the desire to become the best pilot, or marksman etc is not systemic of murder. the initial roots take hold through need of survival, that is my argument and it can be seen repeatedly based off the aces and sharp shooters of any era @Poppy Rider .... I'd point out that i'm sure in the concentration camps of germany there were people who had higher kill counts then any of those people, but me and you both know those people aren't embraced or remembered and its not because 'they are horrible racist fuckfaces', its because they had no talent that let them survive in a all-out war situation.

Yes you had some snipers/pilots etc who had a thirst for blood, but this was repeatedly rooted in memories of lost brothers, not in the desire alone to kill

sadly its easy to view history through todays standards and (correctly) call it barbaric but we didn't live at those times so dont understand the pressures they faced

I was at an air show a few years back and the Typhoo flew over and everyone got excited. My mate turned to me and said 'yeah, it'd be a different story if we were in Iraq.'

your mate is emo

and you shoulda punched him

@Ottobon its also the need to excel and climb a hierachy

hahaha

ya duh thats the literally rooted in surviving big guy

but yes

you can divide it up if you want

your mate doesnt realise that if he was at an iraqi airshow he wouldnt have the freedom to make that critique

wasnt disagreeing @Ottobon just adding to what you put 😃

@Ottobon ' but me and you both know those people aren't embraced or remembered and its not because 'they are horrible racist fuckfaces', its because they had no talent that let them survive in a all-out war situation.' This is fantastic.

100% agree.

i dono im just saying i've known wicked people, they get no real merit outside of anti-social circles. at the opposite end, people don't look at relics of war in any favorable light and go "WOW I LOVE HOW MANY INNOCENTS IT KILLED" they look at it because of its ability to prevent destruction, even if sadly it was by virtue of causing it, to whoever was threatening it

even hiroshima and nagasaki are looked at as barbaric acts today

japanese are interesting in how they quantified that

they took the impression of it as a whole not just as a victim, if not for that Godzilla wouldn't be a hero

My understanding of it is the Japanese actually understand why it happened and accept it more than the west does

becides, america paid for their military for the next 60+ years

I think thats coz the Japs have had to learn about what really happened. The west just know a couple of big bombs were dropped.

true that poppy

I Didn't understand what really went on till well into my 20s. And I had to go looking for it.

I was very anti nuke back then, now, not so much,.

I was lucky, when I was at school they still taught history propery

properly* damn cant type

I think thats part of it.

We were taught about Nazis and wwII but not what happened after. We were taught about slavery and nothing else about the states.

i think the biggest risk is just bais

I think I can look back at school and judge it by what they choose not to teach us.

schools love to teach about the Nazi's but seem to avoid the commies like the plauge

like you said about your friend watching a typhoon fly over

getting some complex about it isn't helpful

yep.

its ofc important to admit how wrong it is but if the story ends there then you aren't doing the story justice

This goes back to defence/offence. We are not making these things to kill people, we are making them to protect people.

IT doesn't stop them from being designed to kill people.

if we speak on the makers point, its not even that they just love tech, and out-teching others. not even any malice there lol

Not true.

I watched a doc where the woman disigning bombs had grown up in a war zone and said she got into engineering to make the weapons that kill the people that terrorised her as a child.