I read a book about the history and progress of guns when I was younger. One line that I'll never forget 'this gun was designed to kill as many people as fast as possible'

You are arguing the difference between defence/offence.

militaries run on the assumption that all other militaries will have their same tech within 15 years thats wehy the west keeps pushing ahead with R&D, to stay ahead of the game

I doesn't change the fact that as a species we have strived to find more efficient and elaborate ways to kill each other.

Starting with our fists and teeth and finishing with dropping the power of a star on a city.

@Poppy Rider we dont care about elaporate, just efficient

the nukes though brought peace not global destruction. MAD is the most effective peace keeping force in history

hung, drawn and quartered. @Jes

sorry I dont get what you mean?

we dont do that any more

most countries in the west dont even practice the death penalty

oh i get ya

yes that was elaborate

thats why we switched to firing squad, electrocution ect

It was a spectacle. Not just an execution.

you are right

it was used as a public specticle but also as a deterent

but at the time there were many wars going on and the populace was exposed to the horrors of war regularly so the punnishments needed to be more barbaric that every day life. not that im agreeing with it

I'm not saying Nukes are bad. I'm saying that we have put an awful lot of work in to figuring out how to kill people. We have put our best minds to the tesk for it. And it is not sick to marvel at the feat achieved.

again, you are correct

the desire to become the best pilot, or marksman etc is not systemic of murder. the initial roots take hold through need of survival, that is my argument and it can be seen repeatedly based off the aces and sharp shooters of any era @Poppy Rider .... I'd point out that i'm sure in the concentration camps of germany there were people who had higher kill counts then any of those people, but me and you both know those people aren't embraced or remembered and its not because 'they are horrible racist fuckfaces', its because they had no talent that let them survive in a all-out war situation.

Yes you had some snipers/pilots etc who had a thirst for blood, but this was repeatedly rooted in memories of lost brothers, not in the desire alone to kill

sadly its easy to view history through todays standards and (correctly) call it barbaric but we didn't live at those times so dont understand the pressures they faced

I was at an air show a few years back and the Typhoo flew over and everyone got excited. My mate turned to me and said 'yeah, it'd be a different story if we were in Iraq.'

your mate is emo

and you shoulda punched him

@Ottobon its also the need to excel and climb a hierachy

hahaha

ya duh thats the literally rooted in surviving big guy

but yes

you can divide it up if you want

your mate doesnt realise that if he was at an iraqi airshow he wouldnt have the freedom to make that critique

wasnt disagreeing @Ottobon just adding to what you put 😃

@Ottobon ' but me and you both know those people aren't embraced or remembered and its not because 'they are horrible racist fuckfaces', its because they had no talent that let them survive in a all-out war situation.' This is fantastic.

100% agree.

i dono im just saying i've known wicked people, they get no real merit outside of anti-social circles. at the opposite end, people don't look at relics of war in any favorable light and go "WOW I LOVE HOW MANY INNOCENTS IT KILLED" they look at it because of its ability to prevent destruction, even if sadly it was by virtue of causing it, to whoever was threatening it

even hiroshima and nagasaki are looked at as barbaric acts today

japanese are interesting in how they quantified that

they took the impression of it as a whole not just as a victim, if not for that Godzilla wouldn't be a hero

My understanding of it is the Japanese actually understand why it happened and accept it more than the west does

becides, america paid for their military for the next 60+ years

I think thats coz the Japs have had to learn about what really happened. The west just know a couple of big bombs were dropped.