Message from @Jes
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@Poppy Rider we dont care about elaporate, just efficient
the nukes though brought peace not global destruction. MAD is the most effective peace keeping force in history
hung, drawn and quartered. @Jes
sorry I dont get what you mean?
we dont do that any more
most countries in the west dont even practice the death penalty
oh i get ya
yes that was elaborate
thats why we switched to firing squad, electrocution ect
It was a spectacle. Not just an execution.
you are right
it was used as a public specticle but also as a deterent
but at the time there were many wars going on and the populace was exposed to the horrors of war regularly so the punnishments needed to be more barbaric that every day life. not that im agreeing with it
I'm not saying Nukes are bad. I'm saying that we have put an awful lot of work in to figuring out how to kill people. We have put our best minds to the tesk for it. And it is not sick to marvel at the feat achieved.
again, you are correct
the desire to become the best pilot, or marksman etc is not systemic of murder. the initial roots take hold through need of survival, that is my argument and it can be seen repeatedly based off the aces and sharp shooters of any era @Poppy Rider .... I'd point out that i'm sure in the concentration camps of germany there were people who had higher kill counts then any of those people, but me and you both know those people aren't embraced or remembered and its not because 'they are horrible racist fuckfaces', its because they had no talent that let them survive in a all-out war situation.
Yes you had some snipers/pilots etc who had a thirst for blood, but this was repeatedly rooted in memories of lost brothers, not in the desire alone to kill
sadly its easy to view history through todays standards and (correctly) call it barbaric but we didn't live at those times so dont understand the pressures they faced
I was at an air show a few years back and the Typhoo flew over and everyone got excited. My mate turned to me and said 'yeah, it'd be a different story if we were in Iraq.'
your mate is emo
and you shoulda punched him
hahaha
ya duh thats the literally rooted in surviving big guy
but yes
you can divide it up if you want
your mate doesnt realise that if he was at an iraqi airshow he wouldnt have the freedom to make that critique
@Ottobon ' but me and you both know those people aren't embraced or remembered and its not because 'they are horrible racist fuckfaces', its because they had no talent that let them survive in a all-out war situation.' This is fantastic.
100% agree.
i dono im just saying i've known wicked people, they get no real merit outside of anti-social circles. at the opposite end, people don't look at relics of war in any favorable light and go "WOW I LOVE HOW MANY INNOCENTS IT KILLED" they look at it because of its ability to prevent destruction, even if sadly it was by virtue of causing it, to whoever was threatening it
even hiroshima and nagasaki are looked at as barbaric acts today
japanese are interesting in how they quantified that
they took the impression of it as a whole not just as a victim, if not for that Godzilla wouldn't be a hero
My understanding of it is the Japanese actually understand why it happened and accept it more than the west does
becides, america paid for their military for the next 60+ years
I think thats coz the Japs have had to learn about what really happened. The west just know a couple of big bombs were dropped.
true that poppy
I Didn't understand what really went on till well into my 20s. And I had to go looking for it.
I was very anti nuke back then, now, not so much,.
I was lucky, when I was at school they still taught history propery
properly* damn cant type