Message from @Mr. Nessel

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2020-03-18 18:25:23 UTC  

Colombia.

2020-03-18 18:26:29 UTC  

Ok.

2020-03-18 18:28:26 UTC  

There isn't much else to say is there

2020-03-18 18:31:52 UTC  

>the far right has historically been pro EU
No, wignats have historically been pro EU

2020-03-18 18:35:30 UTC  

Otton Third was a wignat then.

2020-03-18 18:37:06 UTC  

European Solidarity or EU are good ideas on paper, problem comes up with the execution of such ideas.

2020-03-18 18:37:17 UTC  

I think Mosely and The Italian Social Movement were

2020-03-18 18:42:47 UTC  

Or let me rephrase, the far right wouldn't approve of the current EU, the EU back even 20 years ago was not the same thing as the EU rn. The EU as more than an economic entity is a really new concept.

2020-03-18 18:45:50 UTC  

A European state has been an idea for a while

2020-03-18 18:46:06 UTC  

Mosley certainly did not just support a trade block

2020-03-18 18:46:12 UTC  

As did Churchill

2020-03-18 18:46:55 UTC  

People just don't like it being a gay liberal project

2020-03-18 18:47:13 UTC  

The EU in its current form really started more or less once the Maastricht Treaty came into force.

2020-03-18 18:47:30 UTC  

Sort of

2020-03-18 18:47:37 UTC  

The European federal state even in right wing edition is a project that is almost utopic in nature.

2020-03-18 18:48:21 UTC  

You would have to have some extremely strong "glue" to hold this thing together.

2020-03-18 18:48:29 UTC  

It's not really utopian but many people don't like the idea since it's not nationalist enough but supranational or they lack imagination

2020-03-18 18:50:07 UTC  

I'm gonna agree with Wisgoth on this one. The "glue" would kill the real cultural diversity that exists in Europe in the process.

2020-03-18 18:50:40 UTC  

These objections are really basic when you consider how nationstates formed in the first place

2020-03-18 18:51:04 UTC  

Or how long people could just rule places as foreigners without needing some moral imperative

2020-03-18 18:51:53 UTC  

Europe is definitely culturally similiar enough for some sort of federal state

2020-03-18 18:52:14 UTC  

Arguably certain groups would even get a better deal out of it culturally speaking

2020-03-18 18:52:46 UTC  

Think of the Catalans who are virtually dominated by Spaniards and prolly will actually go extinct as something distinct without independence

2020-03-18 18:53:03 UTC  

Regional dialects etc. especially in France

2020-03-18 18:54:32 UTC  

Let's not forget how modern Russia looks like ethnically, not to mention the Soviet Union used to look like

2020-03-18 18:55:25 UTC  

Neither of those last two are particularly enviable

2020-03-18 19:18:22 UTC  

The point is that with Russia and the Soviets there wasn't/isn't even a need for any sort of feeling of commonality

2020-03-18 19:18:32 UTC  

The "glue" is nonexistant

2020-03-18 19:20:01 UTC  

Compare that to an EU where many shitty people explicitly feel European and even the ones who like to hate it usually cheer on other countries as they elect better governments

2020-03-18 19:23:46 UTC  

Hell the EU doesn't even have a dominant ethnic group; "Germs control everything" is mostly just a meme, unlike Yugoslavia which was Serb dominated, Austria Hungary which was dominated by Austrians and Hungarians (surprise surprise) and (Soviet) Russia with Russians (nvm Stalin being a Georgian or the Semites in the party)

2020-03-18 19:24:31 UTC  

@vexmasina44 Redpilled or just retarded?

2020-03-18 19:42:06 UTC  

@Salvation_Crucifix its kek they can burn 33 bodies in 33 hours for 33 months

2020-03-18 19:45:21 UTC  

@Mr. Nessel you do realise the austrians didnt share their power with Hungary out of goodness of their hearts. the hungarians were blackmailing the austrians with civil war if they were not treated as equals.

2020-03-18 19:46:39 UTC  

eitherway austro hungary was nit sustainable in long term since they simply had too many peoples and cultures within their borders

2020-03-18 19:46:50 UTC  

The Austrians won a civil war and then came to an arrangement because of the empress being a Hungarophile

2020-03-18 19:47:32 UTC  

those sorts of nations dont last long

2020-03-18 19:47:34 UTC  

There is partial truth to "Germans control everything". Germany is one of the biggest if not the biggest exporter to other member countries so economically speaking Germany is de facto economic king. I'm might be mistaken because I'm not completely up to date with everything in this regard. Correct me if necessary.

2020-03-18 19:47:47 UTC  

Austria Hungary lasted until forcibly broken apart

2020-03-18 19:48:05 UTC  

it was literaly breaking apart during ww1

2020-03-18 19:48:08 UTC  

lmoa