@Mr.Fisch（炫龙） sorry I had to go, if I were alive as a chinese person in 1912 i would have supported the Qing, in modern day restroation isn't really possible.

I see

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/678531385123667998/701462243044491344/north_korea_is_ancap.png

Chad

So is collectivism inherently right-wing and individualism left-wing? If so then why is Marxism, a very collectivist economic system, considered left wing and capitalism, a very individualistic economic system, considered right wing?

The issue with a linear dichotomy is that if you dont do it right you get contradictions like that skele

lel

I think a linear dichotomy in general is fake and gay ofc

The 4 quadrants are far better

Different positions kinda manifest themselves in different ways when looking at the political compass.

y-axis: authority vs. liberty
x-axis: left vs. right economics

left economics usually mean more control, either by the state or the people (as literal owners),

right usually means more control by the people (as consumers) and by the corporations/large firms

authority vs. liberty is simple

dont need to explain that

you can (sort of) put ideologies on either axes for the economics

not so much for authority

nigbo

Libertarians will champion harbor individualism, but we’ll champion a more collective mindset. But of course the left and right will interpret those things differently. Right wing individualists will champion self sufficiency and such, while left wing individualists tend to champion shit like sexual liberation and such. Right wing collectivists tend to seek advancing their own group’s interests, while left wing collectivists in my view tend to seek material equality amongst all humans.

correct

probably the best way to describe it

authoritarian collectivists (i.e. center on economics) seek a mix of group preference and worker's profit

Charles Coughlin, Huey Long, and Teddy Roosevelt for example

An lib right would most likely personally oppose LGBT stuff but have a live and let live mindset.

I would still consider that liberal

That is sort of an oxymoron

"live and let live unless you're x"

this is how you get publicly pushed and enforced homosexuality

transgenderism

etc

Well yes because ItS noTT the StatEss rEsponSibiLity to enforce mah social views.

correct

its a gay pov

Even though they’ll cry about the government forcing it down our throats.

Me personally I believe in the collective interests of a nation more, but there is definitely plenty of room for individual freedoms, especially with large cultural agreement, kinda the model the US had before the 1960’s.

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Poland is so based I love it.

the ruling party are still zionist shills