why do brand names matter so much if the quality is the same in two versions of a product?

Irish slaves, however, were indentured servants. Indebted. The prospect of release made them less valuable

Which lead to Irish slaves being cheaper, more misused, and often bred with black slaves, since the mixed children would be considered black, and not Irish.

Moral of this tangent, Slavery was fucked up.

Excess "wealth" really only comes from a group of people, teaming up to all meet their basic needs, by each doing what they are good at. By specializing like this they stand a chance of producing more than they needed in some areas in the same amount of time as if they all did each area of work themselves.

im not sure what were talking about anymore

personally i dont trust automation, it beleive it at best disparages the working class if not outright destroys it.

worse case scanario this means that corporations are only witholden to consumers

idk, i think it would just change the nature of the working class. less working in fields and more lifting heavy pieces of robots to replace them

It seems like a backdoor to class warfare.

less farming and more mechanics

that would constrain the working class to at most 10% of its current compacity

the debate becomes if automation allows for a high enough increase in new jobs to make up for the jobs it displaced.

theres a secret they dont tell you in school because its an old school political correctness thing, way older than our current envirnment of PC. what they dont tell you is that not everyone can be middle class

as it becomes cheaper to run a place, it means they have more capital to expand to have more places or space to make more stuff.

not everyone will be upper class

they cant actually expand beyond demand

true, but they are now cheaper, which, in theory, can increase sales up to a point

the value of labor has only increases since the dawn of mankind but the need of demand has only increased with population growth and new industrys to provide more complex products

automation only deals with overhead

if you half the price of computer monitors and the parts that allow computes to have 2 monitors, do you think people with 1 monitor wouldn't upgrade?

and if everything is cheaper, then the cost of living is cheaper, meaning you don't have to work as much

fuck it, say you live in a society where no one technicly has to work

what then?

good question. what then. I assume you mean all human basic needs to live as long as possible are met, since no one has to work, correct?

sure

this skips the pitfalls of getting to automation of that level where were putting faith in corproations

lets just talk about how the human condition functions in a society where no one needs to do anything in order to survive

you assume corporations are the only one able to make such a thing, not a government or some philanthropist , humanitarian group, etc but yes, lets assume somehow we get to this point. so what then?

(also, we are all making an assumption we don't nuke ourselves before we get there too. i'm telling you, answer to all our human problems.)

so a society with all of its survival needs met to a point of potentally being able to live as long as humanly posible without needing to do anything from cradle to the grave

End human suffering: End humanity.

ill buy that for a dollar

I might actually put that on a sign and picket it.

well, what remains as threats? Humans, Nature, the universe.

also forgot: boredom

What do we want? PEACE ON EARTH! How do we do it? NUKES!

catchy aint it?

if you have a society of zero need i think the best example of the resulting population can be derived by observing how people who right now do nothing for their own survival yet live with their needs provided for them

adult children

they create a threat, hence why humans are still a threat