as it becomes cheaper to run a place, it means they have more capital to expand to have more places or space to make more stuff.

not everyone will be upper class

they cant actually expand beyond demand

true, but they are now cheaper, which, in theory, can increase sales up to a point

the value of labor has only increases since the dawn of mankind but the need of demand has only increased with population growth and new industrys to provide more complex products

automation only deals with overhead

if you half the price of computer monitors and the parts that allow computes to have 2 monitors, do you think people with 1 monitor wouldn't upgrade?

and if everything is cheaper, then the cost of living is cheaper, meaning you don't have to work as much

fuck it, say you live in a society where no one technicly has to work

what then?

good question. what then. I assume you mean all human basic needs to live as long as possible are met, since no one has to work, correct?

sure

this skips the pitfalls of getting to automation of that level where were putting faith in corproations

lets just talk about how the human condition functions in a society where no one needs to do anything in order to survive

you assume corporations are the only one able to make such a thing, not a government or some philanthropist , humanitarian group, etc but yes, lets assume somehow we get to this point. so what then?

(also, we are all making an assumption we don't nuke ourselves before we get there too. i'm telling you, answer to all our human problems.)

so a society with all of its survival needs met to a point of potentally being able to live as long as humanly posible without needing to do anything from cradle to the grave

End human suffering: End humanity.

ill buy that for a dollar

I might actually put that on a sign and picket it.

well, what remains as threats? Humans, Nature, the universe.

also forgot: boredom

What do we want? PEACE ON EARTH! How do we do it? NUKES!

catchy aint it?

if you have a society of zero need i think the best example of the resulting population can be derived by observing how people who right now do nothing for their own survival yet live with their needs provided for them

adult children

they create a threat, hence why humans are still a threat

so there is still something people need to labor towards to stay alive

protection from other humans, nature, the universe, and boredom.

so people need labor in order to prevent becoming adult children which threatens human survival?

think about it, we are still animals. We'd still be living in the same area, and the one thing this workless world would not have in infinity is space

unless you go into space

what do people who dont have the capability of providing any meaningful assistance toward protection from other humans, nature, the universe, and boredom do in the society without a working class?

which is kind of needed to mitigate the universe as a threat to humanity although its still a threat until we create god status, if we can.

well, they either get killed by one of those things, or some other human protects them from those things

as they don't need to work for food, housing, clothing, or medical help

basicly those who cannot do, do nothing?

although anyone short of a vegetable should be able to help with one of those things

because you may not realize a society which has no need for a workingclass actually adds a new group to the "disabled" of society

because the workingclass provides a role in society to provide protection against other humans, nature, the universe, and bordem yet can not rise up to the middle class for various reason, the most common reason being lack of capability

if you create automation to the extent that all basic needs are met for your society theres very little positions for the roles of those who are literally incapable of doing any more