If nobody wants something it doesn't have value.

I can't sell anyone a handful of lint.

look at the most "valuable" works of art. Most of it is just a place holder for money.

that is not to say there will be no objects of value within the society but a society that can suport its survival without ever needing to put effert toward that is a zero scarcity

a rich person said "i like this", paid money for it, then said its worth x.

Have you ever taken an economics course?

but it gives enjoyment. its beauty

and it just keeps getting traded around rich people for that much money

btw.. .since at the course of this debate: https://twitter.com/joerogan/status/1013918293600555009

Everyone would LOVE to have an army of servants

It's what gives labor value.

If we're being honest, it's what gave slaves their value.

there are plenty of expensive version of things that nearly identical or even worse quality than a much cheaper version.

Black slaves were property, always to be enslaved. That made them rather valuable.

why do brand names matter so much if the quality is the same in two versions of a product?

Irish slaves, however, were indentured servants. Indebted. The prospect of release made them less valuable

Which lead to Irish slaves being cheaper, more misused, and often bred with black slaves, since the mixed children would be considered black, and not Irish.

Moral of this tangent, Slavery was fucked up.

Excess "wealth" really only comes from a group of people, teaming up to all meet their basic needs, by each doing what they are good at. By specializing like this they stand a chance of producing more than they needed in some areas in the same amount of time as if they all did each area of work themselves.

im not sure what were talking about anymore

personally i dont trust automation, it beleive it at best disparages the working class if not outright destroys it.

worse case scanario this means that corporations are only witholden to consumers

idk, i think it would just change the nature of the working class. less working in fields and more lifting heavy pieces of robots to replace them

It seems like a backdoor to class warfare.

less farming and more mechanics

that would constrain the working class to at most 10% of its current compacity

the debate becomes if automation allows for a high enough increase in new jobs to make up for the jobs it displaced.

theres a secret they dont tell you in school because its an old school political correctness thing, way older than our current envirnment of PC. what they dont tell you is that not everyone can be middle class

as it becomes cheaper to run a place, it means they have more capital to expand to have more places or space to make more stuff.

not everyone will be upper class

they cant actually expand beyond demand

true, but they are now cheaper, which, in theory, can increase sales up to a point

the value of labor has only increases since the dawn of mankind but the need of demand has only increased with population growth and new industrys to provide more complex products

automation only deals with overhead

if you half the price of computer monitors and the parts that allow computes to have 2 monitors, do you think people with 1 monitor wouldn't upgrade?

and if everything is cheaper, then the cost of living is cheaper, meaning you don't have to work as much

fuck it, say you live in a society where no one technicly has to work

what then?

good question. what then. I assume you mean all human basic needs to live as long as possible are met, since no one has to work, correct?

sure

this skips the pitfalls of getting to automation of that level where were putting faith in corproations