Message from @Grenade123
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good question. what then. I assume you mean all human basic needs to live as long as possible are met, since no one has to work, correct?
sure
this skips the pitfalls of getting to automation of that level where were putting faith in corproations
lets just talk about how the human condition functions in a society where no one needs to do anything in order to survive
you assume corporations are the only one able to make such a thing, not a government or some philanthropist , humanitarian group, etc but yes, lets assume somehow we get to this point. so what then?
(also, we are all making an assumption we don't nuke ourselves before we get there too. i'm telling you, answer to all our human problems.)
so a society with all of its survival needs met to a point of potentally being able to live as long as humanly posible without needing to do anything from cradle to the grave
End human suffering: End humanity.
ill buy that for a dollar
I might actually put that on a sign and picket it.
well, what remains as threats? Humans, Nature, the universe.
also forgot: boredom
What do we want? PEACE ON EARTH! How do we do it? NUKES!
catchy aint it?
if you have a society of zero need i think the best example of the resulting population can be derived by observing how people who right now do nothing for their own survival yet live with their needs provided for them
adult children
they create a threat, hence why humans are still a threat
so there is still something people need to labor towards to stay alive
protection from other humans, nature, the universe, and boredom.
so people need labor in order to prevent becoming adult children which threatens human survival?
think about it, we are still animals. We'd still be living in the same area, and the one thing this workless world would not have in infinity is space
unless you go into space
what do people who dont have the capability of providing any meaningful assistance toward protection from other humans, nature, the universe, and boredom do in the society without a working class?
which is kind of needed to mitigate the universe as a threat to humanity although its still a threat until we create god status, if we can.
well, they either get killed by one of those things, or some other human protects them from those things
as they don't need to work for food, housing, clothing, or medical help
basicly those who cannot do, do nothing?
although anyone short of a vegetable should be able to help with one of those things
because you may not realize a society which has no need for a workingclass actually adds a new group to the "disabled" of society
because the workingclass provides a role in society to provide protection against other humans, nature, the universe, and bordem yet can not rise up to the middle class for various reason, the most common reason being lack of capability
if you create automation to the extent that all basic needs are met for your society theres very little positions for the roles of those who are literally incapable of doing any more
the goal of automation is to make all of the human race the "disabled" class
that doesent particulerly interest me
you can't stop it outside a 1 world government, and even then, a 1 world government would probably have every incentive to make such a world
frankly its not dignified but more so if you look at the way people who never have to provide for themselves well into their 30's. it creates worse humanity
humanity has pretty much defined its existence on outsourcing our labor to machines, only to make new machines to outsource the new task we set that freed up labor to
the only other defining characteristic of humanity is fighting each other
it may very well be right that humans are killed off by machines, but not because the machines went haywire but because that is the exact thing we program them to do
just another exampling of outsourcing our labor to a machine.
yes i agree that it is humanitys basic function to create ways that a single farmer can increase the ammount of production they can yeild to the ultimate goal that only a single farmer is nessicary to create any degree of production, a farmer named ceo
perhaps is something we should at some point fight against, for a balance, to spare our more basic animal characteristics