so much as the weight of their own ideology crushing them

but now people realise welfare is a free income, because minimum wage is almost the same as welfare payment

ya, destroys incentive

The funny thing about minimum wage, though

So out of us 4 am I the only one thinking it's not wise to rely on free market when there is no evidence of it taking care of such things ?

I haven't seen a single damned job offer that wasn't a dollar higher than minimum wage.

@Senny no evidence? sure flies in the face of all the evidence!

well, he broke their support pillar, so now they're unstable

look at how they're grasping at anything that might work to get them back votes
that Socialist in NY wants to abolish ICE, suddenly all teh democratic network wants to abolish ICE, because they think that won that person the seat

As opposed to people are just tired of the democratic parties policies

@Senny https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Friendly_society

consider:

big tiddy goth anime gf

I rest my case

checkmate alt-rarteds

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i'd argue, but i have a real one ZQ 😛

non anime

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Should still go drink patchouli, dirty hippy ZQ

fuk you got me there

with your "crown" that looks more like a box of Fries. 😛

i think that one is more of cultural thing than free market one

Put a beanie on that or GTFO. 😛

"A friendly society (sometimes called a mutual society, benevolent society, fraternal organization or ROSCA) is a mutual association for the purposes of insurance, pensions, savings or cooperative banking. It is a mutual organization or benefit society composed of a body of people who join together for a common financial or social purpose. Before modern insurance and the welfare state, friendly societies provided financial and social services to individuals, often according to their religious, political, or trade affiliations. These societies are still widespread in many parts of the developing world, where they are referred to as ROSCAs (rotating savings and credit associations), ASCAs (accumulating savings and credit associations), burial societies, chit funds, etc."

i can open links

free market? cultural? whats the diff... the point is that its not statist welfare... and it was workign before state welfare... so why fix something that aint broke

these are the voluntary, non coercive alternatives to statism

Because I had this great idea called Marxism. It'd totally work, guys, honest!

you ain't making much of a different argument, 'socialism will solve it all' 'communism will solve it all' 'free market will solve it all' .. ya know

how is that not free market ? all free market means is voluntaryism

listen we just need a completely incorruptable objectively perfect leader

and that can only be [insert yourself]

and since i am incorruptable and objectively perfect, obviously i should be the one to lead the new marxist state. it'll work this time guys

the difference though, is that free market doesn't fix it for you, it allows you to fix it yourself

you can trust me to be benevolent dictator for life

I think that dilutes the conversation a fair bit, Senny.

socialism and communism offer you guaranteed fixes (that dont deliver)

free market doesn't offer you any guarantee but the one you make for yourself

i'd be a very hands off kind of iron fisted dictator 😉

We're not just saying that the Free Market will solve anything

i'm just skeptical, is all. It all sounds nice on paper, but many potentional problems can rise if there are no guarantees

Poptarts, for instance, was showing one way how.

ya free market provides the environment that is more conducive to the most efficient and effective ways of solving problems