i think that one is more of cultural thing than free market one

Put a beanie on that or GTFO. 😛

"A friendly society (sometimes called a mutual society, benevolent society, fraternal organization or ROSCA) is a mutual association for the purposes of insurance, pensions, savings or cooperative banking. It is a mutual organization or benefit society composed of a body of people who join together for a common financial or social purpose. Before modern insurance and the welfare state, friendly societies provided financial and social services to individuals, often according to their religious, political, or trade affiliations. These societies are still widespread in many parts of the developing world, where they are referred to as ROSCAs (rotating savings and credit associations), ASCAs (accumulating savings and credit associations), burial societies, chit funds, etc."

i can open links

free market? cultural? whats the diff... the point is that its not statist welfare... and it was workign before state welfare... so why fix something that aint broke

these are the voluntary, non coercive alternatives to statism

Because I had this great idea called Marxism. It'd totally work, guys, honest!

you ain't making much of a different argument, 'socialism will solve it all' 'communism will solve it all' 'free market will solve it all' .. ya know

how is that not free market ? all free market means is voluntaryism

listen we just need a completely incorruptable objectively perfect leader

and that can only be [insert yourself]

and since i am incorruptable and objectively perfect, obviously i should be the one to lead the new marxist state. it'll work this time guys

the difference though, is that free market doesn't fix it for you, it allows you to fix it yourself

you can trust me to be benevolent dictator for life

I think that dilutes the conversation a fair bit, Senny.

socialism and communism offer you guaranteed fixes (that dont deliver)

free market doesn't offer you any guarantee but the one you make for yourself

i'd be a very hands off kind of iron fisted dictator 😉

We're not just saying that the Free Market will solve anything

i'm just skeptical, is all. It all sounds nice on paper, but many potentional problems can rise if there are no guarantees

Poptarts, for instance, was showing one way how.

ya free market provides the environment that is more conducive to the most efficient and effective ways of solving problems

but has it incentive to fix all the problems ? i don't think so

free market has incentives to make money

If you have a need and money, you can have that need fixed
And since that goes for everyone, your source of money, can be fixing someone elses need

sure few small groups can decide to be charity replacement of welfare, but will that be enough ? *DOUBT*

lol of course theres incentive! you think that business dont have an incentive to build roads to their businesses??

he meant to fix all problems, like socialism/communism promises

Part of the reason why bigger forms of government are unappealing is that the larger, more structured a group of people is, the slower it takes to work.

the demand for welfare will become smaller and smaller, less and less, as standard of living increases as a whole due to more developed capitalism

i'm talking about social programs mainly, and don't catch on my words, I'm not a commie

more opportunities for ppl to find work an make a living, etc

I'm not opposed to government, so much as I'm opposed to undue bureaucracy.

We've got the Red Cross, right? They're who you think of when you think of first responders to a disaster.

first responders...
Isn't the person calling THEM the first responder?

But when it comes down to it, in a situation like Hurricane Harvey, it was actually a community that came up and responded to the problems.

As someone who was involved in the information gathering backend of an impromptu rescue and supply distribution structure, There were several times in which the archaic bureaucracy of the Red Cross actually HINDERED operations

@Senny i highly recommend looking into some material by Stefan Molyneux and subbing to him, i can tell that you'll get a lot out of it from alternative perspectives and things you may not have considered before. he covers a lot of this stuff we're talking about https://www.youtube.com/user/stefbot/

Like, we actually had some restaurants in the area that had power throughout the entire storm. Once the state of the area switched to getting people out to shelters, these restaurants were trying to bring hot meals to them as they waited for transport out of the area

Nah thanks. I'm fine. Molymeme is not to my taste.

Moly is hit and miss imo

And I'm saying that after listening to hours of his ideas.

lol... okay. not interested in the problems youre asking about? i dont know a better person who can explain this stuff more eloquently