im more pro free trade, free market, which would include more free, open immigration, etc. but that also means that virtually no socialized govt welfare to balance it all out

expect a Republican domination for decades if that happens

oh god. No.

free market would allow for better systems than welfare

Right now, libertarian people are squeezing into the Republican Party, making it wholly better.

free market creates work, and when theres plenty of work, theres no need for welfare

It's happening because of competition

@Dr.Wol agreed, free market would provide better welfare

I don't want that competition to end.

The point of the free market is that it ultimately doesn't want it's customer base to die.

Trumpkins are taking over the Republican party, because he destroyed the Democrat party

he not only defeated them, he crushed them

just like the Friendly Societies of the past early century handled virtually all of the same welfare benefits and opporunities that state welfare provides now.... excepti it happened voluntary and naturally back then

I actually feel like he's more in the process of crushing them, not that they've been crushed.

and not him

well, there was room for it, because you didn't have a large group that just came for the free stuff

You ahd people who needed it, climbed out of the pit, and got back in the game

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Friendly_society

so much as the weight of their own ideology crushing them

but now people realise welfare is a free income, because minimum wage is almost the same as welfare payment

ya, destroys incentive

The funny thing about minimum wage, though

So out of us 4 am I the only one thinking it's not wise to rely on free market when there is no evidence of it taking care of such things ?

I haven't seen a single damned job offer that wasn't a dollar higher than minimum wage.

@Senny no evidence? sure flies in the face of all the evidence!

well, he broke their support pillar, so now they're unstable

look at how they're grasping at anything that might work to get them back votes
that Socialist in NY wants to abolish ICE, suddenly all teh democratic network wants to abolish ICE, because they think that won that person the seat

As opposed to people are just tired of the democratic parties policies

@Senny https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Friendly_society

consider:

big tiddy goth anime gf

I rest my case

checkmate alt-rarteds

😏

i'd argue, but i have a real one ZQ 😛

non anime

👌 gucci

Should still go drink patchouli, dirty hippy ZQ

fuk you got me there

with your "crown" that looks more like a box of Fries. 😛

i think that one is more of cultural thing than free market one

Put a beanie on that or GTFO. 😛

"A friendly society (sometimes called a mutual society, benevolent society, fraternal organization or ROSCA) is a mutual association for the purposes of insurance, pensions, savings or cooperative banking. It is a mutual organization or benefit society composed of a body of people who join together for a common financial or social purpose. Before modern insurance and the welfare state, friendly societies provided financial and social services to individuals, often according to their religious, political, or trade affiliations. These societies are still widespread in many parts of the developing world, where they are referred to as ROSCAs (rotating savings and credit associations), ASCAs (accumulating savings and credit associations), burial societies, chit funds, etc."

i can open links