Or, simply force everyone with a low IQ to preform manual labor.

Though technically speaking, IQ scores are rising by about ten points a decade and the average keeps having to be repositioned

you can actually influince average inteligence of a population of a relitively short period of time but relitive is many generations. its kinda obvious that on average african americans test a higher iq than their counterparts in africa. they are in an envirnment where intelegence has become a sexually selective trait for them, atleast before 40 years ago. not only that we highly suspect that the ashkanazi jewish population of europe represents a group of people whos inteligence increased at a rate disproportionate to all other european populations surrounding it in just 1500 years.

i am curious, anyone here for more gun control, i just want to find another viewpoint..

i think @I AM ERROR has mentioned an interest in guncontrol in the past

@Dugamar very recently that rising has stopped. Nobody knows why.

Genetics can change pretty quickly in some cases. It takes around 13 generations for a species living in safety to lose instinctual fear of predators

But it is possible that they never lose that fear too. For example cats are afraid of cucumbers because they see it and identify it as a snake even without ever encountering a snake.

schedrevka might be referencing the mouse utopia

I think that's a differen't level of instinct. Like a jump scare vs actually having something in front of you

I was talking about a study that was released this year

Look up Japan's rabbit island for a real life example. They were kept their for ww2 chemical experiments and then released when the scientists left the island. They come back a decade later, and the rabbits are EVERYWHERE and now you can go there as a tourist and lay down in the park and they'll walk all over you hoping for treats.

jeez, 13 generations to stop fearing Hollywood tycoons?

@Zuihou depends on what you mean by that 😄

ok, current gun control laws, do we need more or less?

or 3rd option?

first of all you need your current ones to be actually enforced, than you need them to make fucking sense.

That sounds about right

pretty much same line of thought..

You can tell how politicized it is based on how little the proposed solutions reflect the problem

now, since we have a federal serial number system, do you think the firearm serial number should be following car vins system?

in where they should be placed and how lost/stolen firearms should join a easy to search system?

and as a ground rule: giving the general populace the rights to bear arms is stupid af. the idea that you achieve anything positive by trying to get rid of the guns in the usa is retarded.

It really isn't. It's a fundamental necessity of a free society

but us has the freedom to bear arms

it doesn't have a "as long as you pass certain tests"

Yes, I'm saying that idea isn't stupid

thus why US is weird..

It also has the greatest potential of all Western nations wrt not turning into an Orwellian shithole

and i joined a debate forum and you know what they told me when i mentioned the 2A, "not a valid argument since it is only for the US and not to other countries" when the topic was pertaining to US gun control :V

to answer your question: that system you mentioned sounds kinda reasonable, i would need to know how it actually works to see if would be a good thing

Fundamental necessity to *maintaining* a free society

so many people arguing for gun control seems to ignore the 2A and be like, but that's you guys, if we want good gun control ,we have to ignore that" and it devolved to authoritarian government massacring people after gun control is enacted to the fullest..

well... my ground rule is basically "2A is stupid, getting rid of it is even dumber" 😉

I would say absolute right to self defense is also part of a free society in and of itself

But then on top of that it's a failsafe

@I AM ERROR so the way it works is a car frame has multiple places to place a vin, 1 visible, 2 not fully visible so it makes it harder to scratch off, the idea with firearms is one on the side as original, then 2 inside the frame where it is visible after disassembly this makes it harder to scratch off numbers, and this should be enabled for all firearm production that requires a serial in general and the technology is already there so this won't be like those stupid "smart gun" rules which is not even there..

"self defense" is using the force needed to defend yourself, the only reason a gun would be acceptable in a self defense scenario is if the attacker also has a gun. i prefer to remove guns from the equation completely.

so if a firearm is used in a crime, they can search the serial in the system and not worried how, oh firearm number is gone, well what to do now..

also self defense was a relatively new idea during the american revolution...

because that was shown as a difference where britain still has a rule of "meet force with exact force" where if a person has a knife, you can only use a knife in defense, in the us, we follow a "don't bring a knife to a gun fight"

oh and... 2A is not an argument in either direction for me (no, it does not matter pro - no, it does not matter that the AR-15 is not explicitly mentioned by name)