Message from @NativeInterface

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2018-08-06 23:11:44 UTC  

it can be paid for by anyone in any way except taxation

2018-08-06 23:13:14 UTC  

i want the same systems we have today, but without the taxes and state monopoly bs

2018-08-06 23:14:46 UTC  

so you mean, just as bad

2018-08-06 23:14:54 UTC  

the person with the most money wins most of the time

2018-08-06 23:15:27 UTC  

because why side with the person with less wealth, except in places of strong character and a defined set of right and wrong

2018-08-06 23:16:20 UTC  

both parties need to agree on a judge. if the judge always sides with the rich, there would be no point for the poor to consult that judge.

2018-08-06 23:16:33 UTC  

everyone has a track record

2018-08-06 23:16:59 UTC  

and no rich person would want a judge who wasn't going to side with them

2018-08-06 23:17:12 UTC  

particularly if they want the property

2018-08-06 23:17:21 UTC  

so, we have an impasse

2018-08-06 23:18:19 UTC  

we have a giant arbitration industry right now that a lot of people prefer to go to rather than the state. this seems like a basic old problem that the arbitration industry has solved long time ago.

2018-08-06 23:18:49 UTC  

worst case scenario the partisan judges would just have to choose an arbitrator they both agree on

2018-08-06 23:19:08 UTC  

we have an impasse. i mean, there is no state. so it easy to have this be a local thing

2018-08-06 23:19:22 UTC  

which means greater chance to have bias judges being the only thing near by

2018-08-06 23:20:12 UTC  

particular if you are dealing with say an out of towner

2018-08-06 23:20:32 UTC  

so we need an even more corruptible monopoly that settles it with an iron fist?

2018-08-06 23:21:29 UTC  

need? no. but then again, my argument is never that we need the state... its always that it will come back, and does for a reason. so why repeat history and instead do our best to fix this

2018-08-06 23:21:34 UTC  

but so we have an impasse

2018-08-06 23:21:55 UTC  

so, if one side wants to press, we have conflict

2018-08-06 23:22:04 UTC  

who is the aggressor?

2018-08-06 23:22:21 UTC  

well i agree in one sense

2018-08-06 23:22:52 UTC  

the person who laid claim to the dead person's house? or the one who is from out of town claiming its theirs? arbitration failed., either side could agree on a judge.

2018-08-06 23:22:53 UTC  

i believe that if there is a challenge or an impasse, people will always strive to solve the issues in one way or another

2018-08-06 23:23:58 UTC  

but i dont believe that people will just run into an impasse, and there will be a giant hole in the system, and people will just sit on their hands and do nothing

2018-08-06 23:24:19 UTC  

no, either they give up, or they press.

2018-08-06 23:24:22 UTC  

it reminds me of the who would build the roads argument

2018-08-06 23:24:25 UTC  

so, what happens if they press

2018-08-06 23:24:32 UTC  

who is the aggressor?

2018-08-06 23:25:08 UTC  

i believe that there are peaceful solutions to impasses

2018-08-06 23:25:42 UTC  

only if both sides agree to peace, in which case arbitration would have worked or settled

2018-08-06 23:25:48 UTC  

but one side didn't budge

2018-08-06 23:25:54 UTC  

both think they have rightful claim

2018-08-06 23:26:05 UTC  

so, who is the aggressor if one side presses

2018-08-06 23:26:27 UTC  

the out of towner with a story, or the guy who moved into a dead persons house.

2018-08-06 23:26:40 UTC  

can't really prove the out of towner is lying

2018-08-06 23:26:52 UTC  

i don't know

2018-08-06 23:26:56 UTC  

can't really prove he isn't the owner

2018-08-06 23:27:04 UTC  

am i supposed to know this?

2018-08-06 23:27:32 UTC  

its perfectly fine to admit you don't know, its a rough question. with, perhaps, no right answer.

2018-08-06 23:28:10 UTC  

do you think ownership is objective?

2018-08-06 23:28:47 UTC  

hmm