Message from @RyeNorth

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2018-08-07 00:55:13 UTC  

something that we can't even do with a state

2018-08-07 00:56:15 UTC  

we're kind of holding the same principles about direct slavery

2018-08-07 00:56:36 UTC  

Alright...

2018-08-07 00:56:54 UTC  

politics is downstream from culture, the culture changes and the government adjusts

2018-08-07 00:56:59 UTC  

But how are you going to convince people to uphold the NAP when there are people who claim that speech is violence?

2018-08-07 00:57:52 UTC  

yeah the trends are not looking good

2018-08-07 00:58:00 UTC  

They really aren't.

2018-08-07 00:58:13 UTC  

The NAP is a GREAT concept, don't get me wrong

2018-08-07 00:58:28 UTC  

why would i care about the environment?

2018-08-07 00:58:34 UTC  

earth wouldn't give two shits

2018-08-07 00:58:39 UTC  

we are the ones who care

2018-08-07 00:58:49 UTC  

i can just account for my own principles

2018-08-07 00:58:56 UTC  

Exactly my point.

2018-08-07 00:59:04 UTC  

theres no point in me abandoning my principles just because other people are retarded

2018-08-07 00:59:36 UTC  

might i point out, that we have been slowly getting less violent for a while now

2018-08-07 00:59:59 UTC  

this is true, physically it's getting more peaceful, but ideologically i don't know what's happening

2018-08-07 01:00:05 UTC  

But if those other people who are retarded also have their own set of principles that puts yours beneath theirs, how do you reconcile that?

2018-08-07 01:00:42 UTC  

i can just act according to my principles, i don't know what you mean by reconcile

2018-08-07 01:01:36 UTC  

I mean, they want your shit. By your principles they can't have it, but by their principles, in much the same way as the debate earlier, they think they can.

2018-08-07 01:01:53 UTC  

In much the same way that a politician doesn't have power without a military and police

2018-08-07 01:02:07 UTC  

your principles don't really have power beyond the force behind them

2018-08-07 01:02:13 UTC  

are you asking how i find peace with the fact that i have to pay taxes?

2018-08-07 01:02:26 UTC  

I'm a reformist, I'll remind you.

2018-08-07 01:03:37 UTC  

sorry i dont get the question

2018-08-07 01:04:59 UTC  

it seems hes asking how you ensure that your principles stay as the dominant principles

2018-08-07 01:05:04 UTC  

AnCap and AnCom require what practically amounts to a hive mind to function without war. How do you handle dissenters?

2018-08-07 01:05:34 UTC  

Basically what Blackhawk said.

2018-08-07 01:06:31 UTC  

"handle dissenters"? well if they attack me i hope i have enough numbers on my side for defending against their aggressions to be realistic

2018-08-07 01:07:11 UTC  

you dont really need a hive mind, just some respect for the principles

2018-08-07 01:07:17 UTC  

So, whoever has the most force gets to decide who the dissenters are.

2018-08-07 01:08:04 UTC  

simple force may not be enough

2018-08-07 01:08:23 UTC  

didnt darwin say that the most adaptable wins, not necessarily the strongest

2018-08-07 01:08:50 UTC  

If you end up in a community where 90% of the people want to take the property of the other 10%

2018-08-07 01:09:07 UTC  

if you pay attention you'll notice that war has been decreasing because the warzone has changed, the war is about opinions and beliefs and propaganda now

2018-08-07 01:09:27 UTC  

Poor response. You're still conceding that your property can be entirely lost due to a change in principle.

2018-08-07 01:09:51 UTC  

And that your defense of your own property would violate the NAP according to the claimants.

2018-08-07 01:10:07 UTC  

What grounds would the 10% have to stop them from taking their stuff, aside from violence

2018-08-07 01:10:12 UTC  

defending property would violate nap? no you can kill them in self defense

2018-08-07 01:10:20 UTC  

It's not your property.

2018-08-07 01:10:51 UTC  

i mean i agree that you need enough friends to be a formidable force to defend your rights and principles

2018-08-07 01:11:00 UTC  

i just dont know what you're trying to conclude