thats why ancoms dont think we are real anarchists

So how do you control the hierarchy?

It's also the idea that working together we can accomplish more that what we could alone, I'd say that's another reason states form

how do you keep it from polarizing and/or becoming tyrannical?

I participate in a Airsoft Apocalypse game twice a year and despite the perceived anarchy of the game world, players always organize into groups, settlements, and factions with at least basic rules among members.

first step: dont believe in the legitimacy of the tyranny

second step: dont participate in the tyranny

The most successful groups also maintain hierarchies

Hide Tyrannical threads, ignore tyrannical post, do not reply to tyrannical posters?

Im a higher up of a merchant coalition in this game

well organize voluntarily to defend against them if they attack you physically

So then when do we make a jump from a state to a tyranny?

But what if they just refuse to acknowledge the legitimacy of your claims?

the state is a tyranny i dunno what you mean

those who dont organize often end up dying the most as well

then its a numbers game

as per usual

Sorry, that wasn't phrased too well...how does one know when a state has become a tyranny?

His argument is that a state is tyranny

i feel like that question isnt for me

It was.

It was a miscommunication between the two of you.

His question was 'how do you know if the state has become tyrannical'

Your natural response, 'It exists'.

Yeah...sorry 😅 I didn't phrase it too well at first

yeah it exists, basically

i believe states are illegitimate because they don't have legitimate ownership of their land according to certain principles

And there we have it.

The state has different principles than you.

go on

Given that the State is more likely to occur than anarchy, in much the same way a vacuum bursting is met with a rush of air inward, is it far more likely that your principles are the ones that can't adapt to the natural order of things?

You see the State's principles as flawed

i don't believe there is such a thing as the natural order when it comes to people

people are formed by culture, which is formed by people

Anarchy itself is primitivism. It's where society sprung from.

Anarchy begets a power vacuum. Whoever fills that vacuum is king, for better or for worse.

Our modern state in the US is two steps removed from that form

At least, anyway. there are probably several more.

we went from sacrificing people to the gods, to dictatorships, to monarchy, to democracy, it seems to me that the trend is towards more emphasis on the individual

Not really

Just a larger leading class