as per usual

Sorry, that wasn't phrased too well...how does one know when a state has become a tyranny?

His argument is that a state is tyranny

i feel like that question isnt for me

It was.

It was a miscommunication between the two of you.

His question was 'how do you know if the state has become tyrannical'

Your natural response, 'It exists'.

Yeah...sorry 😅 I didn't phrase it too well at first

yeah it exists, basically

i believe states are illegitimate because they don't have legitimate ownership of their land according to certain principles

And there we have it.

The state has different principles than you.

go on

Given that the State is more likely to occur than anarchy, in much the same way a vacuum bursting is met with a rush of air inward, is it far more likely that your principles are the ones that can't adapt to the natural order of things?

You see the State's principles as flawed

i don't believe there is such a thing as the natural order when it comes to people

people are formed by culture, which is formed by people

Anarchy itself is primitivism. It's where society sprung from.

Anarchy begets a power vacuum. Whoever fills that vacuum is king, for better or for worse.

Our modern state in the US is two steps removed from that form

At least, anyway. there are probably several more.

we went from sacrificing people to the gods, to dictatorships, to monarchy, to democracy, it seems to me that the trend is towards more emphasis on the individual

Not really

Just a larger leading class

It was a great honor to be sacrificed

What do you mean by "people are formed by culture"?

Even then, it's been progressively bigger areas for progressively more leaders

Would it have to do with principles?

Not... really?

Like culture governing principles, which make people who they are?

not necessarily, more like how you were raised determines what you expect society to be like

Also, again. Reformist.

if you went to a public school you grow up and take it for granted without questioning its existence

The united States were supposed to be individual nations unto themselves.

you're like a fish born in water with no understanding of what air is

I wonder, how chances in the structure of how we made countries compares to major tech changes.

To a rather unique extent they are

Farming to roads to the industrial age

Are you talking about infastructure ?

Native, was that directed at me?