Message from @NativeInterface

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2018-08-07 03:57:17 UTC  

Ancap is based in Consent where Ancom is based in Equity.

2018-08-07 03:57:37 UTC  

interesting

2018-08-07 03:57:57 UTC  

Dictatorship being the first stop in the evolution of the State.

2018-08-07 03:58:04 UTC  

technically wouldn't even need equity to have something considered ancom system

2018-08-07 03:58:05 UTC  

Eventually they're forced to concede the point.

2018-08-07 03:58:09 UTC  

Ancap allows for individuals to fail within it's principles

2018-08-07 03:58:26 UTC  

Ancom doesn't and creates a logistical impossibility

2018-08-07 03:58:39 UTC  

i think communism just fails because it's anti economics

2018-08-07 03:58:49 UTC  

Just can be hard to convive a lot of people to join ancom in large scale without the false promise of equity

2018-08-07 03:58:53 UTC  

It's deeper then that, it's anti reality

2018-08-07 03:59:17 UTC  

Simple economics doesn't equate to a murderous dictatorship regime

2018-08-07 03:59:35 UTC  

There's quite clearly more at play there.

2018-08-07 03:59:42 UTC  

You can have real communism, its just really shitty

2018-08-07 03:59:50 UTC  

well what do you do when black markets arise and people ignore your equality and try to trade freely?

2018-08-07 04:00:06 UTC  

you can either give up and have capitalism, or fight it and start oppressing people for trading

2018-08-07 04:00:06 UTC  

"equality"

2018-08-07 04:00:08 UTC  

You can't sustain communism in a setting larger than, say, a farm.

2018-08-07 04:00:18 UTC  

A single plot of land.

2018-08-07 04:00:25 UTC  

And even then it's only because the whole thing is consentual.

2018-08-07 04:00:36 UTC  

I'd say you can't sustain communism in a setting larger than an ant colony but what do I know

2018-08-07 04:00:51 UTC  

lol

2018-08-07 04:01:01 UTC  

communism would just exile members that don't contribute

2018-08-07 04:01:14 UTC  

If it was bound by an overarching state, yes.

2018-08-07 04:01:22 UTC  

If it wasn't bound to those rules, gulags.

2018-08-07 04:01:57 UTC  

Well when you aren;t contributing the food people stop giving you food

2018-08-07 04:02:06 UTC  

think of minecraft

2018-08-07 04:03:21 UTC  

if you have played with friends

2018-08-07 04:03:53 UTC  

Hippy communes were a thing too

2018-08-07 04:05:49 UTC  

Or other things with friends in real life where you give each other stuff or services knowing they would do the same for you

2018-08-07 04:05:52 UTC  

they all failed because a society full of drug addicts generally turns to shit

2018-08-07 04:05:58 UTC  

ya

2018-08-07 04:06:04 UTC  

it's shit

2018-08-07 04:06:24 UTC  

most of them were commies cuz they just wanted free heroiN

2018-08-07 04:06:25 UTC  

That is real communism

2018-08-07 04:06:46 UTC  

but when they equalized their heroin

2018-08-07 04:06:53 UTC  

they very quickly realized

2018-08-07 04:06:59 UTC  

im confused about how much trade communists are ok with

2018-08-07 04:07:01 UTC  

there was no heroin left

2018-08-07 04:07:22 UTC  

It's confusing because they refuse to define such a thing

2018-08-07 04:07:25 UTC  

Trade would be as much as people need to take to be okay with letting others take from them

2018-08-07 04:07:26 UTC  

some of them call for abolishing money, others just claim communism just means free healthcare