Message from @RyeNorth

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2018-08-07 03:54:50 UTC  

But it's really not that different.

2018-08-07 03:55:06 UTC  

As was stated, in an Ancap society, your property isn't defined by you.

2018-08-07 03:55:18 UTC  

It is very different, even to it's core principles.

2018-08-07 03:55:36 UTC  

By the way I've debated plenty of communists who unfortunately denied everything you just defined about communism.

2018-08-07 03:55:43 UTC  

Because it's impossible to defend.

2018-08-07 03:55:54 UTC  

See, that's the thing.

2018-08-07 03:55:59 UTC  

ancom in small groups is just playing Minecraft with your friends

2018-08-07 03:56:00 UTC  

I wasn't defending it.

2018-08-07 03:56:05 UTC  

lol

2018-08-07 03:56:08 UTC  

I was condemning it.

2018-08-07 03:56:15 UTC  

It's so hard to defend they deny what it even is

2018-08-07 03:56:31 UTC  

Well it works best when people have something to unite against.

2018-08-07 03:56:38 UTC  

Then again thats true for people in general.

2018-08-07 03:56:42 UTC  

Don't necessarily need to have everything equal, just sharing enough to be part of the group

2018-08-07 03:56:55 UTC  

Anyways, on the principles of how Ancap and Ancom are completely different.

2018-08-07 03:57:16 UTC  

Communism fails every time it's attempted, and ends in Dictatorship, because it's an attempt at anarchy.

2018-08-07 03:57:17 UTC  

Ancap is based in Consent where Ancom is based in Equity.

2018-08-07 03:57:37 UTC  

interesting

2018-08-07 03:57:57 UTC  

Dictatorship being the first stop in the evolution of the State.

2018-08-07 03:58:04 UTC  

technically wouldn't even need equity to have something considered ancom system

2018-08-07 03:58:05 UTC  

Eventually they're forced to concede the point.

2018-08-07 03:58:09 UTC  

Ancap allows for individuals to fail within it's principles

2018-08-07 03:58:26 UTC  

Ancom doesn't and creates a logistical impossibility

2018-08-07 03:58:39 UTC  

i think communism just fails because it's anti economics

2018-08-07 03:58:49 UTC  

Just can be hard to convive a lot of people to join ancom in large scale without the false promise of equity

2018-08-07 03:58:53 UTC  

It's deeper then that, it's anti reality

2018-08-07 03:59:17 UTC  

Simple economics doesn't equate to a murderous dictatorship regime

2018-08-07 03:59:35 UTC  

There's quite clearly more at play there.

2018-08-07 03:59:42 UTC  

You can have real communism, its just really shitty

2018-08-07 03:59:50 UTC  

well what do you do when black markets arise and people ignore your equality and try to trade freely?

2018-08-07 04:00:06 UTC  

you can either give up and have capitalism, or fight it and start oppressing people for trading

2018-08-07 04:00:06 UTC  

"equality"

2018-08-07 04:00:08 UTC  

You can't sustain communism in a setting larger than, say, a farm.

2018-08-07 04:00:18 UTC  

A single plot of land.

2018-08-07 04:00:25 UTC  

And even then it's only because the whole thing is consentual.

2018-08-07 04:00:36 UTC  

I'd say you can't sustain communism in a setting larger than an ant colony but what do I know

2018-08-07 04:00:51 UTC  

lol

2018-08-07 04:01:01 UTC  

communism would just exile members that don't contribute

2018-08-07 04:01:14 UTC  

If it was bound by an overarching state, yes.

2018-08-07 04:01:22 UTC  

If it wasn't bound to those rules, gulags.

2018-08-07 04:01:57 UTC  

Well when you aren;t contributing the food people stop giving you food