I don't appreciate that one bit

Whatever happened to adoption? That used to be encouraged as a more ethical choice for those ill-equipped to care for children.

It's fucked. Foster care AFAIK is more fucked though

All I've heard is that adoption is super expensive.

I wonder how many kids get adopted vs. stay in foster care.

Its ungodly expensive i heard

especially for gay couples seeking to adopt

this is assuming they are even allowed

in some places

I'm not particularly concerned with 'adoption' or 'foster care'. Those systems have serious problems, too.

Foster care is dependent.

The root problem is the culture of promiscuity and hedonism.

Cayse the subject is less a child more of a tenant.

Also deviancy.

I dont know if the right thing is to expose a child to deviancy at so young an age.

Deviancy has it's own problems, but often times impregnation isn't one of them...

What I advocate for is choice.

Making the right damn choice 'before' you have to destroy a human to erase your mistake.

If the abortion is done because the woman's choice was taken away from her, I.E. Rape, I 100% understand in that case

But in the grand scheme of things, those scenarios are EXTREMELY rare

Taken the words out of my mouth.

Like if you cant handle a child, stop sleeping around so much, use better contraceptives.

*yes* contraceptives can fail.

You decrease the chances the more methods you use.

Then you know the 100% contraceptive that works?

Not being a thot or stud.

Not fucking a girl unless it's someone you wouldn't mind having children with in the first place?

Here's the thing, as a man, I will 100% back this up. If I had a child, I would support that child willingly from childhood to adulthood.

Problem is

If the woman wants it or dosent. The man has no choice in the matter.

I mean, those are the rules by which society runs today.

In an interesting turn of events, Tim happened to give probably the best 'pro choice' argument I think I've heard.

It's the usual libertarian stance.

It's actually pretty close to my personal stance, actually.

Oh, I'm all for protecting life. But not just in utero. Cradle to grave.

It's pretty close to my own, as well

except I come at it from a conservative libertarian stance

the interesting thing is seeing his angle, and noting the subtleties.

I'm really apathetic on abortion, TBH

the differences, and realizing that's where politics needs to go back to.

I think it's absolutely a valid fear as far as the Conservative side of things goes