Message from @Beemann

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2018-09-12 15:33:31 UTC  

You can export cultural signifiers, yeah, but the export of culture itself is based around behavior and attitude

2018-09-12 15:33:56 UTC  

so ex-pats and duel citizens are cultural exports

2018-09-12 15:34:06 UTC  

new insult for immigrates

2018-09-12 15:34:12 UTC  

"go home you culture export"

2018-09-12 15:34:16 UTC  

In a sense, but the expectation is that they assimilate to an extent

2018-09-12 15:34:53 UTC  

Yeah, integration into a culture is paramount

2018-09-12 15:34:58 UTC  

You shouldn't really be going to another country to export your culture

2018-09-12 15:35:12 UTC  

It's rude

2018-09-12 15:35:12 UTC  

Chinese food in the US did not originate in china, but it did originate from Chinese immigrates, designed for local tastes

2018-09-12 15:35:22 UTC  

Sure

2018-09-12 15:35:37 UTC  

And that's where the modifications happen

2018-09-12 15:35:51 UTC  

its not american culture thats taking over the world, its consumer culture of the post industrial revolution

2018-09-12 15:35:53 UTC  

The expansion of products and ideas, built around the same core cultural values

2018-09-12 15:36:02 UTC  

specifically for around things like Christmas, where everywhere would be closed but the Chinese restaurants

2018-09-12 15:36:10 UTC  

Rather than the product itself

2018-09-12 15:36:12 UTC  

very capitalist/american of them

2018-09-12 15:36:21 UTC  

Or the simple extension of a corporate chain

2018-09-12 15:36:21 UTC  

they saw a whole in the market and filled it to great success

2018-09-12 15:36:35 UTC  

america didint invent capitalism

2018-09-12 15:37:03 UTC  

Nobody said it did

2018-09-12 15:37:22 UTC  

America *was* the true realization of western liberal values

2018-09-12 15:37:27 UTC  

capitalism was a process that developted out of the middle ages through the rise of the merchent class

2018-09-12 15:37:28 UTC  

That's its cultural foundation

2018-09-12 15:39:00 UTC  

@Arch-Fiend the /american was because the american dream: start your own business and be successful. Change the hand life dealt you.

2018-09-12 15:39:07 UTC  

not because we invented capitalism

2018-09-12 15:39:39 UTC  

yeah the american dream was also the european dream

2018-09-12 15:40:02 UTC  

Yes, but Europe was generally feudal, not free

2018-09-12 15:40:04 UTC  

was, now apparently its be a slave state to germany

2018-09-12 15:40:21 UTC  

Bow to your King who bows to the Pope who bows to God

2018-09-12 15:40:24 UTC  

during this AMERICAN dream thing europe was post feudal

2018-09-12 15:40:35 UTC  

It was still hierarchical

2018-09-12 15:40:38 UTC  

It was still dealing with the effects

2018-09-12 15:40:53 UTC  

fucking everything is hierarchical

2018-09-12 15:41:00 UTC  

America was a clean slate

2018-09-12 15:41:09 UTC  

heirarchy does not prevent socioechonomic migration, it defines it

2018-09-12 15:41:27 UTC  

Hell, Europe still has a bunch of weird shit that is a holdover from the old regimes

2018-09-12 15:41:45 UTC  

by the time of the industrial revolution a stratified heirarchy of wealth and power already existed in the united states

2018-09-12 15:42:07 UTC  

Yeah, but what I'm saying is America was about freedom and making your own way. Europe was about loyalty to the state and communal/authoritarian values

2018-09-12 15:42:18 UTC  

Mind you, now we've got the 'States slowly undermining their core values, one by one

2018-09-12 15:42:20 UTC  

Even if it did that through a capitalist economy

2018-09-12 15:42:56 UTC  

sure there was more self centeredness in american culture relitive to european culture so you have a point there