very capitalist/american of them

Or the simple extension of a corporate chain

they saw a whole in the market and filled it to great success

america didint invent capitalism

Nobody said it did

America *was* the true realization of western liberal values

capitalism was a process that developted out of the middle ages through the rise of the merchent class

That's its cultural foundation

@Arch-Fiend the /american was because the american dream: start your own business and be successful. Change the hand life dealt you.

not because we invented capitalism

yeah the american dream was also the european dream

Yes, but Europe was generally feudal, not free

was, now apparently its be a slave state to germany

Bow to your King who bows to the Pope who bows to God

during this AMERICAN dream thing europe was post feudal

It was still hierarchical

It was still dealing with the effects

fucking everything is hierarchical

America was a clean slate

heirarchy does not prevent socioechonomic migration, it defines it

Hell, Europe still has a bunch of weird shit that is a holdover from the old regimes

by the time of the industrial revolution a stratified heirarchy of wealth and power already existed in the united states

Yeah, but what I'm saying is America was about freedom and making your own way. Europe was about loyalty to the state and communal/authoritarian values

Mind you, now we've got the 'States slowly undermining their core values, one by one

Even if it did that through a capitalist economy

sure there was more self centeredness in american culture relitive to european culture so you have a point there

but i dont think that stifled entrepenuership as much as the myth makes it out to be

just look at firearms development in europe and how many names pop up over its history that wernt established manufacturers to begin with

theres also a myth that everyone who came to america was successful even though we know most europeans who migrated here in the 19th century went back home just as poor

the majority had no success in the united states and those we have now still were the exceptions to the rules or the wealthy

i mean, firearms development was a real easy market in most of europe for most of european history

I mean tbf I have a skewed view on American prosperity, the Irish were slaves and now we're most of Boston lmao

there was always a pair of countries looking for weapons to kill each-other

OMG EUROPE LEGITIMATELY BEGGED TO BE FUCKED AND NOW THEY ARE TRYING TO RUIN THE INTERNET FOR EVERYONE

They must all be bottoms

its too late

its already been done

prepare your anus

they are going in dry

It's not. It's now in the hands of the government reps each country has in the EU that actually choose what laws go in to place. We can bitch at our government to slap it down but if we couldn't get the people we vote for to side with us then we aren't going to get the rep to listen. It was nice while it lasted.

The EU is seriously losing power and influence though.