Message from @samoja

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2018-10-11 08:46:05 UTC  

Jesus WAS a Jew.

2018-10-11 08:46:18 UTC  

Wasn't he killed by the Pharisees?

2018-10-11 08:48:09 UTC  

There is fair bit of evidence pointing to the fact Jesus never even existed in the first place

2018-10-11 08:50:58 UTC  

In Jewish religion Jeshua was sort of god's high priest, mirroring the high priest of temple in Jerusalem, at the time Christianity arose there were so called salvation cults that basically took the Greek idea of afterlife and mixed it with local deity, those salvation cults follow a certain pattern and Christianity fits within it almost perfectly

2018-10-11 08:51:58 UTC  

almost all, if not all religions of the world follow such pattern

2018-10-11 08:52:23 UTC  

Almost all of those religions arose from Christianity

2018-10-11 09:03:54 UTC  

So I saw the interview Benjamin did with Bannon, and Bannon (roughly) said the average citizen is not responsible for the economic crisis in north Africa and the middle east.
But is that right? Aren't the people to blame for partaking in a predatory economic tactics that they benefit from?
Of course people don't always have all the information on where the stuff they buy comes from or what economy they might be destroying, but when the shoes you buy are dirt cheap I doubt you don't guess in the back of your head that someone is being exploited...

2018-10-11 09:06:14 UTC  

Well iphones arent dirt cheap and if u wanna go down that resource line

2018-10-11 09:06:23 UTC  

same can be said about computers

2018-10-11 09:07:08 UTC  

i mean i can decide to not buy the obvious things

2018-10-11 09:08:19 UTC  

I would like a definition of what exactly the exploitation is. Does it apply to all product exported from economically weaker countries ?

2018-10-11 09:08:31 UTC  

The fact is most people can't in fact afford to buy things that are not cheap, principles are costly, not everyone can afford them

2018-10-11 09:08:43 UTC  

^that is definately another part of it

2018-10-11 09:09:39 UTC  

+from our standards child labour is totally unethical

2018-10-11 09:10:00 UTC  

but not even that long ago, over here child labour was not only expected but required if u wanted to survive

2018-10-11 09:11:21 UTC  

doesnt mean i agree with multinationals going across the world and then paying people a nickel & dime for 14 hour shifts.

2018-10-11 09:11:23 UTC  

but at the same time those child labour bans makes childs more vournable to illegal economy.
beacause legal ones cant hire them. and if parents cant/wont rise them. what they are supposed to do.

2018-10-11 09:11:48 UTC  

But thats not really an issue in modern western countries jasse

2018-10-11 09:12:21 UTC  

yeah. but in those third world countries. that we are "exploiting"

2018-10-11 09:13:15 UTC  

we cant expect same standards from third world coutnries.

2018-10-11 09:13:52 UTC  

There is a reason why we got rid of it tho, let's not pretend past was all rosy, exploitation of the workers was rife, 18 hour work days 7 days a week, meager salary, non existent safety regulations, at one point 200 people died in a fire because the company manager locked the exit to prevent people from taking a break. Everything in oderation.

2018-10-11 09:14:08 UTC  

no its not at all it was a horrible time

2018-10-11 09:14:39 UTC  

or countless kids dying during the weaving boom

2018-10-11 09:14:57 UTC  

or losing fingers, hands etc

2018-10-11 09:15:55 UTC  

But what was it before? no salary at all

2018-10-11 09:15:56 UTC  

capitalism as its finest.

2018-10-11 09:17:10 UTC  

No, what we ave now is capitalism at it's finest, that was capitalism gone mad

2018-10-11 09:17:13 UTC  

history is one giant awfull bloodbath with some sparks of brilliance mixed into it

2018-10-11 09:17:19 UTC  

Yeah...

2018-10-11 09:17:31 UTC  

It's a miracle when you go outside and everything isn't on fire.

2018-10-11 09:17:56 UTC  

what we have now is not capitalism at its finest tho

2018-10-11 09:18:05 UTC  

but i agree that that is also the case back then

2018-10-11 09:19:08 UTC  

@samoja sure people can't afford ethically produced things now, but there was a certain period in time where the local produced things lost the market battle against the global produced things, and that was the time people usually talk about with fond memories because everything suddenly was very cheap

2018-10-11 09:19:13 UTC  

Well, finest when compared to all that came before it, and when i say now i should clarify i mean 5the last 30 odd years

2018-10-11 09:25:10 UTC  

certain things still are very cheap

2018-10-11 09:25:34 UTC  

but in the last 30 years, even longer samoja

2018-10-11 09:25:44 UTC  

look at the productivity vs wages

2018-10-11 09:27:13 UTC  

I know that, you don't need to tell me, labor is a comodity, just like any other, but people don't realize that.

2018-10-11 09:28:28 UTC  

well i wonder what changed in the 1970s for people suddenly to stop realizing that

2018-10-11 09:28:55 UTC  

im sure ive read it at some point but i cant remember

2018-10-11 09:29:57 UTC  

People want others to take care of them, they don't want to take responsibility for their own life, if your boss is underpaying you seek anothr job or get educated and change careers.