^that is definately another part of it

+from our standards child labour is totally unethical

but not even that long ago, over here child labour was not only expected but required if u wanted to survive

doesnt mean i agree with multinationals going across the world and then paying people a nickel & dime for 14 hour shifts.

but at the same time those child labour bans makes childs more vournable to illegal economy.
beacause legal ones cant hire them. and if parents cant/wont rise them. what they are supposed to do.

But thats not really an issue in modern western countries jasse

yeah. but in those third world countries. that we are "exploiting"

we cant expect same standards from third world coutnries.

There is a reason why we got rid of it tho, let's not pretend past was all rosy, exploitation of the workers was rife, 18 hour work days 7 days a week, meager salary, non existent safety regulations, at one point 200 people died in a fire because the company manager locked the exit to prevent people from taking a break. Everything in oderation.

no its not at all it was a horrible time

or countless kids dying during the weaving boom

or losing fingers, hands etc

But what was it before? no salary at all

capitalism as its finest.

No, what we ave now is capitalism at it's finest, that was capitalism gone mad

history is one giant awfull bloodbath with some sparks of brilliance mixed into it

Yeah...

It's a miracle when you go outside and everything isn't on fire.

what we have now is not capitalism at its finest tho

but i agree that that is also the case back then

@samoja sure people can't afford ethically produced things now, but there was a certain period in time where the local produced things lost the market battle against the global produced things, and that was the time people usually talk about with fond memories because everything suddenly was very cheap

Well, finest when compared to all that came before it, and when i say now i should clarify i mean 5the last 30 odd years

certain things still are very cheap

but in the last 30 years, even longer samoja

look at the productivity vs wages

I know that, you don't need to tell me, labor is a comodity, just like any other, but people don't realize that.

well i wonder what changed in the 1970s for people suddenly to stop realizing that

im sure ive read it at some point but i cant remember

People want others to take care of them, they don't want to take responsibility for their own life, if your boss is underpaying you seek anothr job or get educated and change careers.

I mean the only reason that i get paid so well is because there is a chronic shortage of electric people

it was a concious decision i made

If you are selling your product to someone and they are not paying you enough to cover your expenses stop selling to that person.

ah i think i remember now what happened

the workforce suddenly doubled in a few years

supply/demand

All that is true, but Bannon put it like there are only the globalists to blame, where I say people know what they participate in, they just don't want to think about it. Same with the meat industry (at least here in europe).

Yea but whos moving the capital and production plants, its not the average person

and even then thats globalization right there

I mean i cant physically fix the problems that these people face.
And even then it becomes the question, are they better or worse off if they end up out of a job when all decide to not buy what they are producing anymore

Im digging in my memory here
But i recall that the chinese prior to all this happening, were making about 2$ a month.

the average tha tis