@tritrium Not sure I understand the question. Frankly even when I was an atheist I thought the anti-Creationist hysteria and witch hunts were far more damaging than the actual dangers of the Creationists. That's what got me expelled from the capital A Atheist cult movement.

@Grenade123 The science stands until you can overturn it. My decades of experience shows it's true. IT even matched me. 😉

Well its a pretty straight forward question

@tritrium It is? How so?

@MaxKolbe Reading back I have a better idea what you're trying to say. That religious influence is on the rise as the atheist movement supposedly is in decline. Except non-religious is a growing subset of the population and last I recall the church had to file for bankruptcy or was on the verge of it due to declining attendance. In either case as non-religious is rising and the religious are not (last I read anyway), there's no reason to believe the trend away from religious influence will be reversed. It might be halted through stagnation but even the religious subset of the population perceive and interact with things differently than even 30 years ago.

For example, @tritrium , Ideological Atheist ranks are FILLED with pseudoscience and pseudoscientists. Of which Dawkins is inartguably one. So's Lawrence Krauss.

Back then you had creationists attempting to get into the scools several times, under different names, with their theory as a serious scientific alternative.

It went on for years

@tritrium I was there and I remember it well. I can tell you lots about it too. I ncluding how much of it was really just a game from the SocJus Left.

Today you got sjw's in the humanities spreading their dogma around

my current lived experience shows its not true, we can play that game but why bother. Being mad at their dads is not the same as broken home. And if order for broken homes to produce most of the atheists according to the few studies i could find related to this topic, something like 2/3rd of all households period would need to be broken homes.

@tritrium The entire move to accept Scientific Naturalism as "Science" was a SocJus project.

This is how SJWs have done so much to ruin the hard sciences, not just the Humanities.

@MetGreDKo I actually wouldnt mind discussing that trend, its implications, and solutions going forward tbh. Here or in General, whatever works

Through their ideology of Scientific Naturalism (which isn't science), plus a whole bunch of other PHilosophy of Science BS.

I would argue that it's a wider trend than just a shift away from religious affiliation

@Beemann A book to look at before I go:

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Nah, I ain't got time. Anyway, look for "The Triumph of Faith" by sociologist Rodney Stark. IT's simply undeniable: Secularism is dying as an ideology, globally. In Europe, in North America, actually on every contintent, and the non-religious population is pretty much taking itself out of the gene pool in Darwinian fashion.

Yeah i dont buy that naturalism or evolution for that matter is a socjus project.

@Beemann I would agree with that assertion. It's just the best I could phrase it here. Discord has a character limit and I'm typing on my phone, not to mention I haven't seriously looked into stuff in a long time so am out of touch in many ways simply due to apathy. It was only gamergate which roused my attention again.

I dont know if you realize it but the SJW's are openly against biology an naturalism itself.

Actually maxkolbe the things you point out got nothing to do with a triumph of faith

we all unironically just wanted to play our videogames. @MetGreDKo

its rather that most of these people end up highly educated and highly educated people tend to have fewer kids.

@MetGreDKo fair enough
I think the primary issue is that people are ripping out structures that may have been too rigid without replacing the portions of those structures that were keeping things going

And the secularism point only works when you are talking about the extreme divide between left and right. But again that doesnt have anything to do with religion winning something.

counter from max would be: higher education is controlled by the Atheist movement

communal involvement is down, young people are not bothering with relationships/families, marriages more and more frequently break down

that is true

we're entering an age where people do not pay attention to their responsibilities as citizens, as family members, as community members

how do you separate indoctrination and education? is indoctrination not subjective?

no

that would a post modernist approach to things

the idea behind indoctrination is that you're basically teaching with the purpose of giving someone a particular partisan outlook

but can you not teach what you believe is true, and not also indoctrinate?

would you teach something you do not believe is true?

so an education would teach you about, say, the pros and cons of 2nukes
indoctrination would be to teach that it was only good, or only bad

your personal convictions as a teacher shouldn't really stand in the way of a student being properly informed

Kids need to read books

like even if you dont necessarily agree that keeping the Russians out of Japan is "good enough" to be partial justification for the H-Bomb being deployed, it's still relevant info