i totally recognize that

But there's uses for downtime

as much as i couldnt stand my mother for years

the ubermensch

I am GLAD now, that im older

xd

Aye

she just told me to go wherever i wanna go

as long as i managed to get there myself

she never drove me to anything

ive been following peterson since 2016, loving the majority of his material

even when it was so freaking annoying at the time because other parents did

i was always the one that came with the train or the bus.

"Parenting now is tremendously different from decades or centuries ago in time committment though. I feel parents now are essentially expected to spend far more time with their kids than they used to."

how do you figure? not that long ago there was a parent at home with the kid 24/7

yeah but having your hand held to everything is not healthy at all

That too yeah, latchkey kids are a bigger thing now

I mean i dont promote the way i was raised btw

@MetGreDKo the empirical data may say otherwise regarding the financial incentives

And that's only getting worse as governments try to incentivize both parents to work

I was raised by the method of "learning it the hard way"

Yeah, taking kids places certainly is an issue. It's interesting how my mother wouldn't let me leave the block when I was high school yet she would talk about her brothers bicycling to a store literally miles away. She sort of set herself up when I was younger to be dependant on her and my father.

So far as downtime; phone use isn't an issue but the length and quality of the downtime relative to the stress of uptime is. For some phones might be adequate but others may need more time for them to find the quality required.

to be fair, there is more legal consequences for letting a kid do that these days

One of the funniest thins when i was younger:

That's a problem as well yeah

My mother at one point thought i had a drug problem and feared i was getting off the rails.

"Kid is out in the front yard without you standing between them and every passing leaf? NEGLIGENCE LOL"

technology moves faster than we humans can adjust to it

like it can be considered child abuse of neglect to simply let them walk home from middle school, or bike around the neighborhood

I'm thinking the solution might be to move away from the city

@Kyubae It's entirely possible new studies came out from when I read on it but as of about 10 years ago, that's what I was seeing in them, that financial incentives didn't have a real impact. It's also entirely possible societal views and requirements to have kids has changed since then. As I said before, I sort of left everything some time ago.

Which is a bit awkward since I work in IT

luckily i had a nice chunk of woods behind my house. no a-holes to call the cops. or if they did, they had no clue who's house i came from, and where i went.

Or will do at least

i hate cities

I used to hang out in the forest too

not enough green, too many people.

Canadian cities are more green

Still too many people

@Grenade123 I agree, legal consequences have changed and I'm not convinced all for the better.

oh not for the better at all. in fact, its almost debatable that leaving a kid in a bad family is better than the foster system

@MetGreDKo in any case, it is my own opinion that people should be disincentivized to procreate wildly