she never drove me to anything

ive been following peterson since 2016, loving the majority of his material

even when it was so freaking annoying at the time because other parents did

i was always the one that came with the train or the bus.

"Parenting now is tremendously different from decades or centuries ago in time committment though. I feel parents now are essentially expected to spend far more time with their kids than they used to."

how do you figure? not that long ago there was a parent at home with the kid 24/7

yeah but having your hand held to everything is not healthy at all

That too yeah, latchkey kids are a bigger thing now

I mean i dont promote the way i was raised btw

@MetGreDKo the empirical data may say otherwise regarding the financial incentives

And that's only getting worse as governments try to incentivize both parents to work

I was raised by the method of "learning it the hard way"

Yeah, taking kids places certainly is an issue. It's interesting how my mother wouldn't let me leave the block when I was high school yet she would talk about her brothers bicycling to a store literally miles away. She sort of set herself up when I was younger to be dependant on her and my father.

So far as downtime; phone use isn't an issue but the length and quality of the downtime relative to the stress of uptime is. For some phones might be adequate but others may need more time for them to find the quality required.

to be fair, there is more legal consequences for letting a kid do that these days

One of the funniest thins when i was younger:

That's a problem as well yeah

My mother at one point thought i had a drug problem and feared i was getting off the rails.

"Kid is out in the front yard without you standing between them and every passing leaf? NEGLIGENCE LOL"

technology moves faster than we humans can adjust to it

like it can be considered child abuse of neglect to simply let them walk home from middle school, or bike around the neighborhood

I'm thinking the solution might be to move away from the city

@Kyubae It's entirely possible new studies came out from when I read on it but as of about 10 years ago, that's what I was seeing in them, that financial incentives didn't have a real impact. It's also entirely possible societal views and requirements to have kids has changed since then. As I said before, I sort of left everything some time ago.

Which is a bit awkward since I work in IT

luckily i had a nice chunk of woods behind my house. no a-holes to call the cops. or if they did, they had no clue who's house i came from, and where i went.

Or will do at least

i hate cities

I used to hang out in the forest too

not enough green, too many people.

Canadian cities are more green

Still too many people

@Grenade123 I agree, legal consequences have changed and I'm not convinced all for the better.

oh not for the better at all. in fact, its almost debatable that leaving a kid in a bad family is better than the foster system

@MetGreDKo in any case, it is my own opinion that people should be disincentivized to procreate wildly

hey, farms need their child labor

the damage they do to their own lives is perhaps enough

@Grenade123 So far as a parent home 24/7. There certainly is truth that for a time it did but it's also true that the parent at home had other duties to attend to and may have extended independence to their children far beyond what we see today.

if we become a space faring species we should all convert to the norse religion and raid alien planets process the inhabitants into food and milk the planet dry of resources before moving onto the next one

Someone's been playing Stellaris

gee i wonder how you figured that out xD

yet we send them to daycare for most of the day

oh sorry, i mean indoctrination center

i mean school