not all the effects of the insititution you're questioning are readily apparent, and so change ought to happen slowly wrt social structures

and then they went and validated everyone's criticism

@Grenade123 Any half-decent teacher teaches kids how to think

Especially with the game journopros list

@Beemann Irony is the family and community responsibility you mention may be making a return in one respect. With the loss of wages relative to inflation you have a greater dependence on family and community for personal sustainability where as during a time where wages were higher you could more practically turn your back on others.

oh absolutely. Doesnt help that saving is fucked either

but yeah I do want to work on family and community once I settle down, which is hopefully shortly after getting the rest of my certs in the pipeline

Well it has become rather apparent in recent years that family is not something to be put aside as a thing from the past if you ask me.

oh absolutely

this is where Peterson's philosophy and mine meet- Community, Family and The Overhuman. It's pretty great that he's so successful at exporting it

I think part of the issue there though is that societal views on family have changed and not in a way many recognize. A lot of people mention money when it comes to having kids and while it's true that they are expensive it's been shown that financial incentives don't actually lead to higher birth rates. Parenting now is tremendously different from decades or centuries ago in time committment though. I feel parents now are essentially expected to spend far more time with their kids than they used to. This time can be beneficial to kids but also problematic where they don't fully develop the ability to operate independently and become sheltered. That isn't all though but society used to have an attitude of parents first and now it's kids first. Just makes it seem more taxing than rewarding.

I think part of the issue too is that it's not quality time. A lot of it is driving their kids around to sports and shit

It's like downtime

We used to have downtime, now that gets eaten by phones

i totally recognize that

But there's uses for downtime

as much as i couldnt stand my mother for years

the ubermensch

I am GLAD now, that im older

xd

Aye

she just told me to go wherever i wanna go

as long as i managed to get there myself

she never drove me to anything

ive been following peterson since 2016, loving the majority of his material

even when it was so freaking annoying at the time because other parents did

i was always the one that came with the train or the bus.

"Parenting now is tremendously different from decades or centuries ago in time committment though. I feel parents now are essentially expected to spend far more time with their kids than they used to."

how do you figure? not that long ago there was a parent at home with the kid 24/7

yeah but having your hand held to everything is not healthy at all

That too yeah, latchkey kids are a bigger thing now

I mean i dont promote the way i was raised btw

@MetGreDKo the empirical data may say otherwise regarding the financial incentives

And that's only getting worse as governments try to incentivize both parents to work

I was raised by the method of "learning it the hard way"

Yeah, taking kids places certainly is an issue. It's interesting how my mother wouldn't let me leave the block when I was high school yet she would talk about her brothers bicycling to a store literally miles away. She sort of set herself up when I was younger to be dependant on her and my father.

So far as downtime; phone use isn't an issue but the length and quality of the downtime relative to the stress of uptime is. For some phones might be adequate but others may need more time for them to find the quality required.

to be fair, there is more legal consequences for letting a kid do that these days

One of the funniest thins when i was younger:

That's a problem as well yeah

My mother at one point thought i had a drug problem and feared i was getting off the rails.

"Kid is out in the front yard without you standing between them and every passing leaf? NEGLIGENCE LOL"

technology moves faster than we humans can adjust to it