Message from @Dvir
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christianity is jewsih.
I think atheism can lead someone susceptible into another ideology that surplants the role that religion usually has.
salvation is from the jews" john 4:22
If we can agree that the only thing seperating religion from any other way of thinking, that involves ritual and tradition, is the supernatural entity, then what you are saying is that it is inherent that all should need to be fulfilled by a supernatural entity
God is not an active being
That would suggest a lack of free will
Humans are the only beings we know to have a higher consciousness, I believe the conscious mind to be the closest thing to God that we know exists.
Like Yeshua Ha'Notzri says, "The kingdom is inside you, and all around you."
The Prophet does not become a Prophet by doing nothing, the Prophet must manifest out what was envisioned to him.
I would ttend to agree that the uniqueness of the human consciousness is a phenomenon that could lead to that conclusion, but it is also impossible for us to know whether there is or is not consciousness within any other living being in the universe
And if they do share consciousness like ours, I would call them Humans.
I believe Human to be the idea of the sentient being, in a literal sense we are just Hominids.
There does not require there to be a god for any of those things to be true though
They don't, but they can be explained by it.
All things can be explained by the supernatural
That is the point of the supernatural
Consciousness is an abstraction though
It isn't quantifiable
Only until enough has been done to qunatify it
that is why science is always expanding
If the spirit came into being because of the flesh it is a marvel,
Psychology does not necessarily aim to quantify the consciousness though, arguably neuroscience does more in that regard
If the flesh came into being because of the spirit then it is a marvel of marvels.
I intend on focusing on depth psychology
I hold a Jungian view of psychology
But the actual science behing what cuses our conscience will not be discovered by psychology. Psychology is the study of what a conscience contains,not what it is or how it came to be
Well I care more about understanding it because I have a satisfied idea of how it came to be in the first place.
And if I discover my view was wrong I will change it.
Through the supernatural
Fair enough
Consciousness is the result of the numerous different parts of the human body coalescing into a single conscious being.
I am saying it is divine, I am not saying it is necessarily a result of supernatural forces
I am definitely not saying they did it directly
Anything god-like is by definition supernatural because it would defy what is naturally quantifyable
And I think consciousness is not naturally quantifiable
Exactly, until it is
Which may not be possible, or may just take time
But I don't think it is something that can be fully understood by man, how can a consciousness fully comprehend consciousness?
Psychology deigns to comprehend consciousness, neuroscience seeks to define its perameters of operation
```Even though I’m a nonbeliever, would I be scared to learn that God really does exist? No. Far from it. The belief that God desires praise, worship, and violent retribution, comes from a lack of understanding about what it’s like to be an enlightened being. It is ignorance projecting ignorance.
The theist view of God is actually far more insulting than the atheist view. It is commonly held that the atheist is the offensive one, that the nonbeliever must walk on eggshells, and be considerate of the beliefs of others. That seems backwards to me. What if there is a god and that god is offended at the thought of people believing he desires worship and praise, demands it even, for eternity - like some petty narcissist? What if that god is disappointed in those who expected him to torture their enemies? What if the believers and the nonbelievers are made to face their creator, and it is the believers who must answer for their offensive beliefs? Even if that’s the case, I don’t think any of us would have anything to worry about, believer and nonbeliever alike, because any mind capable of creating this universe would be enlightened to the point of being beyond such petty concerns.```