Message from @Dvir

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2018-10-24 19:04:15 UTC  

When it comes down to it there are probably only a handful more universal core tenets that you could find in all of Christians. These could become pretty distinct, like the Miaphysites or the Nasrani for example.

2018-10-24 19:04:38 UTC  

Religion is more than a tenet or set of tenets though, it is a system of belief that sometimes includes ritual or tradition

2018-10-24 19:06:13 UTC  

You are right in that atheism lacks any ritual or tradition, which is its problem.

2018-10-24 19:07:27 UTC  

If you really want to stretch the definition of religion, just state that the scientific method and the scientific community are those aspects

2018-10-24 19:07:52 UTC  

But the thing is, that you can do that for anything

2018-10-24 19:08:05 UTC  

That is the point of the Tech Priests in 40k.

2018-10-24 19:08:14 UTC  

Religion is more than that though

2018-10-24 19:08:42 UTC  

When we use the word religion it is in reference to a supernatural being to be worshipped

2018-10-24 19:09:01 UTC  

I will concede that atheism isn't a religion in of itself, but atheism is often not packaged on its own.

2018-10-24 19:09:37 UTC  

Atheism rejects a supernatural god to be worshipped

2018-10-24 19:09:56 UTC  

and even the existence of one

2018-10-24 19:10:25 UTC  

I believe that religion is innate to humans and not the Universe, but it is essential part of our being and not one that should be starved.

2018-10-24 19:12:26 UTC  

christianity is jewsih.

2018-10-24 19:12:29 UTC  

I think atheism can lead someone susceptible into another ideology that surplants the role that religion usually has.

2018-10-24 19:12:52 UTC  

salvation is from the jews" john 4:22

2018-10-24 19:13:49 UTC  

If we can agree that the only thing seperating religion from any other way of thinking, that involves ritual and tradition, is the supernatural entity, then what you are saying is that it is inherent that all should need to be fulfilled by a supernatural entity

2018-10-24 19:14:48 UTC  

God is not an active being

2018-10-24 19:14:57 UTC  

That would suggest a lack of free will

2018-10-24 19:17:54 UTC  

Humans are the only beings we know to have a higher consciousness, I believe the conscious mind to be the closest thing to God that we know exists.

2018-10-24 19:18:52 UTC  

Like Yeshua Ha'Notzri says, "The kingdom is inside you, and all around you."

2018-10-24 19:20:54 UTC  

The Prophet does not become a Prophet by doing nothing, the Prophet must manifest out what was envisioned to him.

2018-10-24 19:21:06 UTC  

I would ttend to agree that the uniqueness of the human consciousness is a phenomenon that could lead to that conclusion, but it is also impossible for us to know whether there is or is not consciousness within any other living being in the universe

2018-10-24 19:21:41 UTC  

And if they do share consciousness like ours, I would call them Humans.

2018-10-24 19:22:43 UTC  

I believe Human to be the idea of the sentient being, in a literal sense we are just Hominids.

2018-10-24 19:23:19 UTC  

There does not require there to be a god for any of those things to be true though

2018-10-24 19:23:35 UTC  

They don't, but they can be explained by it.

2018-10-24 19:23:48 UTC  

All things can be explained by the supernatural

2018-10-24 19:23:56 UTC  

That is the point of the supernatural

2018-10-24 19:23:59 UTC  

Consciousness is an abstraction though

2018-10-24 19:24:07 UTC  

It isn't quantifiable

2018-10-24 19:24:20 UTC  

Only until enough has been done to qunatify it

2018-10-24 19:24:30 UTC  

that is why science is always expanding

2018-10-24 19:24:45 UTC  

And this is why I am a psychology major

2018-10-24 19:25:53 UTC  

If the spirit came into being because of the flesh it is a marvel,

2018-10-24 19:26:03 UTC  

Psychology does not necessarily aim to quantify the consciousness though, arguably neuroscience does more in that regard

2018-10-24 19:26:10 UTC  

If the flesh came into being because of the spirit then it is a marvel of marvels.

2018-10-24 19:26:25 UTC  

I intend on focusing on depth psychology

2018-10-24 19:27:03 UTC  

I hold a Jungian view of psychology

2018-10-24 19:27:22 UTC  

But the actual science behing what cuses our conscience will not be discovered by psychology. Psychology is the study of what a conscience contains,not what it is or how it came to be

2018-10-24 19:28:53 UTC  

Well I care more about understanding it because I have a satisfied idea of how it came to be in the first place.

2018-10-24 19:29:08 UTC  

And if I discover my view was wrong I will change it.