Message from @Jasse

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2018-10-24 19:24:45 UTC  

And this is why I am a psychology major

2018-10-24 19:25:53 UTC  

If the spirit came into being because of the flesh it is a marvel,

2018-10-24 19:26:03 UTC  

Psychology does not necessarily aim to quantify the consciousness though, arguably neuroscience does more in that regard

2018-10-24 19:26:10 UTC  

If the flesh came into being because of the spirit then it is a marvel of marvels.

2018-10-24 19:26:25 UTC  

I intend on focusing on depth psychology

2018-10-24 19:27:03 UTC  

I hold a Jungian view of psychology

2018-10-24 19:27:22 UTC  

But the actual science behing what cuses our conscience will not be discovered by psychology. Psychology is the study of what a conscience contains,not what it is or how it came to be

2018-10-24 19:28:53 UTC  

Well I care more about understanding it because I have a satisfied idea of how it came to be in the first place.

2018-10-24 19:29:08 UTC  

And if I discover my view was wrong I will change it.

2018-10-24 19:29:08 UTC  

Through the supernatural

2018-10-24 19:29:20 UTC  

Fair enough

2018-10-24 19:29:57 UTC  

Consciousness is the result of the numerous different parts of the human body coalescing into a single conscious being.

2018-10-24 19:30:31 UTC  

I am saying it is divine, I am not saying it is necessarily a result of supernatural forces

2018-10-24 19:30:38 UTC  

I am definitely not saying they did it directly

2018-10-24 19:31:28 UTC  

Anything god-like is by definition supernatural because it would defy what is naturally quantifyable

2018-10-24 19:32:32 UTC  

And I think consciousness is not naturally quantifiable

2018-10-24 19:32:47 UTC  

Exactly, until it is

2018-10-24 19:33:06 UTC  

Which may not be possible, or may just take time

2018-10-24 19:33:36 UTC  

But I don't think it is something that can be fully understood by man, how can a consciousness fully comprehend consciousness?

2018-10-24 19:34:21 UTC  

Psychology deigns to comprehend consciousness, neuroscience seeks to define its perameters of operation

2018-10-24 19:34:48 UTC  

```Even though I’m a nonbeliever, would I be scared to learn that God really does exist? No. Far from it. The belief that God desires praise, worship, and violent retribution, comes from a lack of understanding about what it’s like to be an enlightened being. It is ignorance projecting ignorance.

The theist view of God is actually far more insulting than the atheist view. It is commonly held that the atheist is the offensive one, that the nonbeliever must walk on eggshells, and be considerate of the beliefs of others. That seems backwards to me. What if there is a god and that god is offended at the thought of people believing he desires worship and praise, demands it even, for eternity - like some petty narcissist? What if that god is disappointed in those who expected him to torture their enemies? What if the believers and the nonbelievers are made to face their creator, and it is the believers who must answer for their offensive beliefs? Even if that’s the case, I don’t think any of us would have anything to worry about, believer and nonbeliever alike, because any mind capable of creating this universe would be enlightened to the point of being beyond such petty concerns.```

2018-10-24 19:34:50 UTC  

That is an apt way of describing it.

2018-10-24 19:35:44 UTC  

You think I take offense when you talk shit about religion?

2018-10-24 19:36:08 UTC  

Also the idea that world without religion would be an enlightened paradise is idiotic.

2018-10-24 19:36:29 UTC  

Even if you believe atheism is good you cannot concede that in of itself it is the ultimate redemptive ideology for man.

2018-10-24 19:36:51 UTC  

its not ideology

2018-10-24 19:37:42 UTC  

And if atheism lead to utopia the Soviet Union would've been a utopia.

2018-10-24 19:38:02 UTC  

Also God doesn't need or desire praise.

2018-10-24 19:38:12 UTC  

You gain strength through union with God.

2018-10-24 19:39:02 UTC  

Your will is empowered, you join yourself to a higher principle, one that supersedes material law.

2018-10-24 19:39:58 UTC  

If atheism lead to more prosperous societies it would have become commonplace in distinct structured societies around the world.

2018-10-24 19:40:25 UTC  

Instead, the only indigenous human tribes we've encountered that were atheists were the ones with the lowest iq

2018-10-24 19:40:39 UTC  

Is it possible for a consciousness that exists due to being comprised of the different parts of the human body coalescing into a conscious being, to be joined with another consciousness without being destroyed?

2018-10-24 19:41:06 UTC  

You let it into yourself.

2018-10-24 19:41:12 UTC  

By your definition, that consciousness is unique to your own body

2018-10-24 19:41:23 UTC  

i dont think atheism leads to utopia.
and correlation does not imply causation😉

and i rather go back to roots and go pagan.

2018-10-24 19:42:33 UTC  

Well, I perceive consciousness as being able to exist through a union of a body/brain, soul/mind, and spirit/subconscious.

2018-10-24 19:42:59 UTC  

If you take away any one of these you would no longer be a conscious entity.

2018-10-24 19:43:35 UTC  

I've heard that perspective before

2018-10-24 19:44:06 UTC  

Yeah, common in Gnosticism and many other groups.

2018-10-24 19:44:33 UTC  

Mine would lean toward them being one and the same