Message from @Bookworm

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2018-10-27 01:57:31 UTC  

Or Cuck Norris?

2018-10-27 01:57:33 UTC  

Because that is literally the definition

2018-10-27 01:57:47 UTC  

If it was over something more petty they wouldn’t count it

2018-10-27 01:57:48 UTC  

2010, 8 deaths, 17 injured. 2 deaths and 13 injuries from a man who ran his plane into the IRS building and called them Big Brother. We'll give him to the right wing. 1 death and 2 injuries from John Patrick Bedell who shot up the pentagon, in a surprise visit from the left wing. 4 deaths and 2 injuries from sovereign citizens, who I don't think anyone claims.

2018-10-27 01:57:48 UTC  

>I know what someone thinks because of the definition of the accusation

2018-10-27 01:57:52 UTC  

Because if we have to count all the left wing assaults, then the numbers are going to flip.

2018-10-27 01:58:59 UTC  

I don’t know why you guys are fixated on death tolls. I’m simply stating the fact that 74% of insodences were from white extremists

2018-10-27 01:59:08 UTC  

Okay? Where's that list?

2018-10-27 01:59:12 UTC  

Death toll is a separate issue

2018-10-27 01:59:15 UTC  

leftists absolutely dominate in terms of property damage, but that's not counted as terrorism despite being political violence :^)

2018-10-27 01:59:24 UTC  

Death toll is the more important issue*

2018-10-27 01:59:27 UTC  

GTD my dude

2018-10-27 01:59:31 UTC  

GTD?

2018-10-27 01:59:34 UTC  

We dispute this number because it appears to us that you're creating arbitrary definitions to create the number.

2018-10-27 01:59:44 UTC  

74% of incidents is huuuge

2018-10-27 01:59:52 UTC  

downplaying that is just silly tbh

2018-10-27 02:00:00 UTC  

You want a big number, so you choose definitions of what is and is not an incident to create a big number.

2018-10-27 02:00:20 UTC  

Lies, damned lies, and statistics, as @Joe_Limon said

2018-10-27 02:00:24 UTC  

Now, now, we haven't looked at the data yet, let's not point fingers so early.

2018-10-27 02:00:40 UTC  

The definition is politically motivated violence. In this case, murder.

2018-10-27 02:00:49 UTC  

So it is death tolls?

2018-10-27 02:01:00 UTC  

If we included normal politically motivated violence then it would look more even

2018-10-27 02:01:20 UTC  

Death tolls are higher for Islam even post 9/11

2018-10-27 02:01:25 UTC  

Ok, so a death is required. Meaning the MAGAbomber doesn't count.

2018-10-27 02:01:38 UTC  

How do you measure if violence is politically motivated

2018-10-27 02:01:39 UTC  

What about premeditation?

2018-10-27 02:01:41 UTC  

Do you have tables, or graphs, or lists? For the 10 year period, that is.

2018-10-27 02:02:27 UTC  

If you study law, finding intention requires a process

2018-10-27 02:02:58 UTC  

And keep in mind I've already said that Right Wing appears to be a bigger source of domestic terrorism in the US in the last 10 years than Left Wing. Just that Islam is even more by far.

2018-10-27 02:03:12 UTC  

There’s also like, a billion studies on this

2018-10-27 02:06:24 UTC  

ooh, that's a useful site

2018-10-27 02:06:47 UTC  

Yeah, it's still the same numbers for 2008 and 2009.

2018-10-27 02:06:57 UTC  

The difference between a terrorist attack and a national tragedy is media attention. Islamic extremists are generally the ones responsible for insodences that have abnormally high fatalities

2018-10-27 02:09:12 UTC  

Yeah, these are the same numbers I was getting off the wikipedia page.

2018-10-27 02:09:31 UTC  

I'll go back to that.

2018-10-27 02:11:14 UTC  

To answer an earlier point, attempted murder counts as in incident so the MAGA bomber would be included.

2018-10-27 02:11:26 UTC  

if trump wins in 2020 and gets more of his agenda implemented, we might see a swing back to left wing terrorism as a response. people feeling like there's no path forward for their ideology in a system dominated by conservatives.

2018-10-27 02:11:37 UTC  

The death toll wouldn’t rise because he didn’t actually kill anyone

2018-10-27 02:11:39 UTC  

2011, only 2 dead, no injured. Never proven, but suspected to be from an anti-Democratic militia. Eh, we'll call it a wash.

2018-10-27 02:11:39 UTC  

if we're going to count the magabomber we're going to count clanton