Message from @Undead Mockingbird

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2018-10-28 03:16:19 UTC  

I'm fascinated to see how the Chinese are managing what no one else did, a conversion from Communism to Fascism without missing a beat. Deng Xiaoping deserves immense credit for that.

2018-10-28 03:16:20 UTC  

And broken up

2018-10-28 03:16:48 UTC  

You just needed to be really authoritarian. Thats it really

2018-10-28 03:16:51 UTC  

I'm not sure if the lifetime appointment alone makes the difference between communism and fascism.

2018-10-28 03:17:14 UTC  

There is more to fascism, although it's certainly authoritarian.

2018-10-28 03:17:21 UTC  

If someone wanted to, if they had the power xiaoping had they could have up in democracy instead

2018-10-28 03:17:33 UTC  

Taiwan is...complicated. You have the colony drop of Republican Chinese over top of a native people more alike to Okinawans than Chinese

2018-10-28 03:17:39 UTC  

Friedrich Hayek has actually made the best description I have read so far, in his book Road to Serfdom.

2018-10-28 03:17:42 UTC  

A lot of internal resentment

2018-10-28 03:18:32 UTC  

I am not sure how the party leaders were selected previously, but I'm not sure it makes that much of a difference.

2018-10-28 03:18:33 UTC  

The natives want their country independent and their own again but China will quite literally wipe out everything alive on that island if they do.

2018-10-28 03:18:55 UTC  

If you have on leader for life that the party wants, or a bunch of leaders, each selected by the party.

/shrugs

2018-10-28 03:18:56 UTC  

The ethnic Chinese maintain that they are the rightful rulers of all China.

2018-10-28 03:19:04 UTC  

That fiction keeps the balance,

2018-10-28 03:19:42 UTC  

I mean, if the American government was thrown off the mainland and forced to go to Hawaii, they'd still say they're the rightful government too.

2018-10-28 03:19:48 UTC  

Well, either way, it seems we can all agree on the general trend.

2018-10-28 03:19:57 UTC  

@GingaBomber , I'm honestly not sure the Chinese were ready for democracy. Not even the Russians were and they had more connections to Europe.

2018-10-28 03:20:13 UTC  

Actually, I am really interested in that.

2018-10-28 03:20:18 UTC  

The couple of Taiwanese I've met always insisted they be called Chinese, and never confused with the mainlanders

2018-10-28 03:20:21 UTC  

Remember back to the Mandate of Heaven

2018-10-28 03:20:23 UTC  

Why do some people develop democracies and others don't?

2018-10-28 03:20:36 UTC  

China MUST remain cohesive to keep order

2018-10-28 03:20:52 UTC  

Otherwise you have civil war, famine, and destruction

2018-10-28 03:21:02 UTC  

Oh no, not famine.

2018-10-28 03:21:06 UTC  

5000 years of histiory

2018-10-28 03:21:11 UTC  

That wouldn't happen under a one party state.

2018-10-28 03:21:40 UTC  

Look at how much of a mess they were in the 1920's

2018-10-28 03:21:47 UTC  

Warlords

2018-10-28 03:21:50 UTC  

Actually, with such a large country, I am more surprised that their system is not more federalistic in nature.

2018-10-28 03:22:03 UTC  

the Chinese themselves don;t want a return of that

2018-10-28 03:22:15 UTC  

I know that there are different levels of government, though.

2018-10-28 03:24:04 UTC  

Yes, and some parallel between the Party and the state

2018-10-28 03:33:42 UTC  

Anyway, China is perhaps where I disagree the most the the Democrats in international affairs. It's where I hoped Trump would get it right. Handle China transactionally and don't meddle in internal affairs. Hold them accountable outside their borders.

2018-10-28 03:34:09 UTC  

Unfortunately we ended up in a trade war 😕

2018-10-28 03:34:44 UTC  

I’m surprised the trade war isn’t getting much coverage

2018-10-28 03:35:52 UTC  

It's having an impact but it's rather diluted by the strength of the overall economy. I will say if there was a time for a trade war by the US now is likely the time

2018-10-28 03:36:26 UTC  

Still I'm not sure either the President or the American people are prepared for the downside. I don't see this as being a painless victory.

2018-10-28 03:36:45 UTC  

The US has not stuck to a fight all the way to victory since WWII

2018-10-28 03:37:09 UTC  

It'll be interesting to see if the American people are willing to be personally inconvenienced and stick it through

2018-10-28 03:38:26 UTC  

If it happens, and if we actually get the win we defined was the goal at the start of the conflict and not some bs that Trump calls a win but isn't, then I'll agree that Pres Trump is on the upper end of American Presidents

2018-10-28 03:38:46 UTC  

That would be an amazing landing to stick